Well my 11 apex just passed 12500 miles and changed the filter tonight per owners manual. Changed the oil with Mobil 1 0w40. However I still have one ride left this weekend, and perhaps next weekend. During this time I will put on about 150-300 miles. Would the oil be ok for next year too if I just put a few hundred miles on it then sat for the off season? I have another sled to ride this weekend but prefer mine.
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Another 300 miles won't be a problem.
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I say no, you need to change oil and filter before summer storage.
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It'll be OK, it won't turn into a pumpkin. There are a lot of sleds that don't get their oil changed in the spring and run just fine.
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\Teamblue4 said:
I agree, some high mileage oils, such as Amsoil's 25,000 mile oil, recommend an annual oil change despite the amount of miles that are on it. 25,000 miles or one year, which ever comes first.
Used oil can turn acidic; not sure how quickly or to what degree, just saying.
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Irv said:
And you sit all summer with about a liter of used oil in your sled even after an oil change. I don't think a 300 mile ride will do any harm.
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It won't do any harm.
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I hate to confess but I did it all the time with my ole 07 Attak. Sold it at 9995 miles on it and it started and ran perfect really. Just like it did when I bought it new.
I feel if you ran the oil until it was aweful maybe that would do a minute bit of harm over a few months but most here wouldn't wait until it was sludge.
I never changed out at the end of the season. Mostly at a time I was in side of it doing wiring or plugs etc. over the years. It got changed just not at the end of the season.
I feel if you ran the oil until it was aweful maybe that would do a minute bit of harm over a few months but most here wouldn't wait until it was sludge.
I never changed out at the end of the season. Mostly at a time I was in side of it doing wiring or plugs etc. over the years. It got changed just not at the end of the season.
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Cant please them all,
My daughter only put 286 miles on her Apex this season, guess what? The oil and filter are getting changed. Yamaha filter an 3.5 qts of Yamalube 0w30 and 30 minutes of my time. $37 oil change is alot cheaper than a $3000 engine. And I will be able to sleep alot better this summer knowing that it was done.
My daughter only put 286 miles on her Apex this season, guess what? The oil and filter are getting changed. Yamaha filter an 3.5 qts of Yamalube 0w30 and 30 minutes of my time. $37 oil change is alot cheaper than a $3000 engine. And I will be able to sleep alot better this summer knowing that it was done.
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Teamblue4 said:
286 miles in the snow? Maybe, if she was doing grass drags. Overkill, must have money to burn IMHO. I suppose you would recommend the guys that start their sleds every month all summer should do an oil change each time as well?
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From one who knows more than I:
The reason I say to change the oil before the last ride is this:
The fresh oil will have a good amount of time to circulate throughout the engine at proper load and temperature, which is the exact opposite of what you are doing by starting the engine and revving it in the garage. As an aside, it will also give the fuel stabilizer more than enough opportunity to work its way throughout the entire fuel system.
By taking it out for one last ride with fresh oil, you are hardly contaminating the new oil at all. The benefit is that you are getting it hot and virtually eliminating the moisture content.
You can change the oil after your last ride, and there is nothing wrong with this procedure. However, by changing it after your last ride, you are then going to start it up and rev it in a stationary position without actually driving it. No load, no good.
I will stand by my original advice. A snowmobile is not designed to run on a stand in a garage, with the track turning with no lubrication. I assure you, your method is doing more harm than good. You talk about many guys at the TY forum getting thousands of miles using this method, and that is fine and likely true. But it doesn't mean that it is the correct procedure.
When you say four strokes are not designed to burn oil, a little fogging oil distributed in the cylinders will cause no issue at all. When you fire it six months later, it will smoke for a short while then it is back to business.
Don't start and run any engine unnecessarily. Put it away properly and rest assured it will be ready for reliable service when re-commissioned.
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The reason I say to change the oil before the last ride is this:
The fresh oil will have a good amount of time to circulate throughout the engine at proper load and temperature, which is the exact opposite of what you are doing by starting the engine and revving it in the garage. As an aside, it will also give the fuel stabilizer more than enough opportunity to work its way throughout the entire fuel system.
By taking it out for one last ride with fresh oil, you are hardly contaminating the new oil at all. The benefit is that you are getting it hot and virtually eliminating the moisture content.
You can change the oil after your last ride, and there is nothing wrong with this procedure. However, by changing it after your last ride, you are then going to start it up and rev it in a stationary position without actually driving it. No load, no good.
I will stand by my original advice. A snowmobile is not designed to run on a stand in a garage, with the track turning with no lubrication. I assure you, your method is doing more harm than good. You talk about many guys at the TY forum getting thousands of miles using this method, and that is fine and likely true. But it doesn't mean that it is the correct procedure.
When you say four strokes are not designed to burn oil, a little fogging oil distributed in the cylinders will cause no issue at all. When you fire it six months later, it will smoke for a short while then it is back to business.
Don't start and run any engine unnecessarily. Put it away properly and rest assured it will be ready for reliable service when re-commissioned.
From: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/
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Guys its full synthetic oil we r talking about .. U will be just fine .. Change it when ever u want no damage will be done ...
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She only got to ride 2 days this season due to her work schedule, no extra money to burn, 2 older kids in colleges and this one in high school. I just like to take care of our items.
I dont recommend starting them in the off season. maintenance on them in the spring and let them set until its time to load them and haul them north for the winter season.
I dont recommend starting them in the off season. maintenance on them in the spring and let them set until its time to load them and haul them north for the winter season.
THKSNOW said:
Well I decided to just run another sled I have this weekend. Mine needs new bushings up front anyway, so I will just do that since I have it apart. What I'm not understanding is why on earth you would change the oil filter after 286 miles, let alone the oil. The manual is specific that it only needs to be changed at 12,500 miles, so that's what I did. And an oil filter and oil change on an Apex in 30 minutes, no way that's happening.Teamblue4 said:
