OK? Whats this ?

[**sj**]

I believe 2.1 quarts to the canister and 1.1 to the motor is what I was told..

I'd do 2 to the can and 1 to the motor and recheck

 

[Sidewinder]

Thanks , Ill do it tonight after work.
While in there ill be changing plugs too

 

[apex yooper]

sj,
What is your evidence that fram makes the worst filters??

 

[shaunone]

I've heard from more than one source that when cut in half, the inside of the fram filter looks like it was assembled by a 3 year old

 

[**sj**]

I've heard the horror stories of filter failures...I was a disbeliever too...
then I did some searching on the web...

the fram cartridge is held together with cardboard glued...poor anti drain valve...cheap construction..


here's an interest comparo done for motorcycles..

I figure our motors are basically the same so this comparison is good enough for me..

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterStudy.html

 

[Sidewinder]

I dont use fram in anything.
Street cars, race cars or my sled.

 

[Sled Dog]

Fram is junk!

 

[**sj**]

sj,
What is your evidence that fram makes the worst filters??

there ya go yoop..
also I've read posts of catastophic engine failures after changing to a fram filter on otherwise perfectly running low mile vehicles!!

 

[Sled Dog]

Fram is junk

Here is a picture of a fram filter and why we say it is junk. Then look at the Pure One or the Super Tech from Walmart both are very well built filters. The Bosch is well built but they went cheap on the filter media. You decide!

 

[**sj**]

one footnote...the supertech pictured used to be made in usa...I think it's now made in mexico and might have been cheapened up as well.....not as bad as the fram though

 

[Sled Dog]

I think it's pl14612

Yup thats the one PL14612 I bought a dozen of them it fits the sleds and my bike and my sons bike as well.

 

[LazyBastard]

Be aware that the Yamaha OEM filters share the same deficiency as the Fram filters - cardboard end caps.

Cardboard end caps aren't as bad as one might think. Being familiar with the dissolving effects of water on paper and cardboard, one might assume the same for oil. This is NOT the case. Metal end caps are still better though.

 

[apex yooper]

oil filter

Thanks guys. Very informative. Where do you buy the pure one?

 

[**sj**]

go to purolators website and do a zip code search..
I got mine at advance auto parts..

 

[iasledder]

Flat end caps allow an uneven distribution of the glue that bonds the convoluted element to the end retainers. A dished design permits an equal glue depth. Pay attention to how the convolutions are bound together where they meet at the 360* joint. Most filters are glued and a metal strip pinched over the mating convolutions. Fram uses no metal binder. I have found Fram where the glue didn't seal for the entire length, leaving an open gap for non filtered oil to pass. In a full flow oil filter you are better off without a drain back valve. Sure it can be messy. These get very stiff in cold weather and do not allow flow to the by pass valve. Besides starving an engine they can build up enough instant pressure to blow the filter off of an engine or lift the element inside the can crumpling the element lenght wise or cause the element to be lifted off the base inside and set askew on the threaded insert, thus by-passing dirty oil. Fram and Purolater are both Fram products.