QC-1 ok for Canada trails??

[Rick M]

As I said, I don't write them....just enforce them....and there are far stricter enforcers out there....


Rick

 

[WarriorPilot]

Hey Rick, where does your turbo Rage fit into this argument,"oops",sorry buddy, I couldn't resist ;-) :shock:

 

[Rick M]

Well, I was only correcting someone's advise that the white knuckle exhaust was legal.
Sometimes laws have to be broken...to catch people breaking the law....Sometimes we have to travel on prohibited roads to catch people on prohibited roads, sometimes we have to go up a sidewalk to catch someone on a sidewalk, sometimes we have to trespass to catch someone trespassing, and sometimes some people actually think they are faster than the law....thats where the Turbo Rage fits in to the equation.
However, you won't see it on a pleasure trip to Quebec....

Rick

 

[Silverbullet]

I was told the other day that in Quebec they were issueing $500 usd ON THE SPOT fines or confication of your sled untill that fine was paid for loud exhaust. I also heard that the boarder patrol was also on the watch for loud exhaust at the crossings and not allowing admittence into Canada Ditto for the clubs :shock: If this is true than the turbo won't be going to Canada

 

[Rick M]

The provincial Security Supervisor for the Quebec Federation of Snowmobile Clubs Mr François Charpentier explain the interpretation of article #6 of law 43 that stipulates that no one will be allowed to modify a stock snowmobile so as to increase its motor acceleration powers, which includes the pipes but not the studs.
Consequently, the use of studs in the Province of Quebec is legal but after market pipes are not .

http://www.snowmobilenews.com/forum.cfm ... 503305.cfm

 

[ger]

In a rural location on private property, you can make all the noise you want with any kind of vehicle you want and nobody has any right to complain. The motorized snow vehicle act does NOT supercede private property. In an urban area on private property, you must stop the racket no later than 11pm.
Also, about that "all modified" clause... that wouldn't hold up in that its INTENTION is not to stop all aftermarket exhausts, just those that are crazy loud. As long as its no louder than a stock arctic crap, all they can do is threaten you and swing their arms at you.

I am not going to argue opinions about the black and white Motorized Snow Vehicle act...I do enforce it though, and I can tell you that in Ontario, we are told, if it attracts our attention, to look at it, and if it is not made by the same company that made your sled....to lay the charge. Nowwhere does the law say, if it is quiter than a cat with triple pipes....nor does it say...you have to be on a groomed trail...the charge is "Operate motorized snow vehicle, with modified component", under the section dealing with exhaust. Its just friendly advise to someone who was asking.....careful of expert advise or opinions you go by.

18. (1) No person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle unless it is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation and no person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle which has a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon the motorized snow vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (1).

Removing or modifying any component

(2) No person shall drive or permit to be driven any motorized snow vehicle upon which any component or device, which was required under the provisions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) at the time that the motorized snow vehicle was manufactured or imported into Canada, has been removed, modified or rendered inoperative. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (2).
Exception in racing area

(3) Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to a motorized snow vehicle while it is driven in a racing area sanctioned as such by the council of the local municipality within which the racing area is located. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (3).



My problem is this , I have an aftermarket can on my wifes srx , it came with it when I bought it from the dealer .

IF you break down the law it says "has been removed, modified or rendered inoperative"
I have not removed the exhaust , it still has one , I have not modified it , it is the way it came from whoever made it and it still is operative.

It is the same problem for cars , if my trucks muffler goes I will go to midas not GM for the new muffler.
If they put a DB limit on , I say great but I could (but didnt ) put an aftermarket on the might be quieter and I can be charged?

any police I have talked to says I have a point ,still might get charged but I have a point .
I am not saying I agree with pipes and cans but I am not gettin one from Yamah
JMO

 

[jimmie d]

If it ain't stock it ain't legal no interpretations just very simple. What cracks me up is most cans lose horsepower over stock yet people still put them on. Guess poco poco beads on the windshield with the bouncing headed dog on the rear of seat are next.

Jim

 

[Rick M]

Ger.....it says removed since manufactured, ....not since you bought it from the squid who removed it.....

 

[QCRider]

Ger.....it says removed since manufactured, ....not since you bought it from the squid who removed it.....

Rick, you really need to relax a bit. That law is just dying to be challenged, and I DO NOT support aftermarket exhausts. Let's say that I buy a used sled, and the exhaust is bad and needs to be replaced... It would technically then NOT have the original exhaust on it anymore. The law was written in a very lazy way. The truth is that NOISE is what the law is about, and that is how it should be rewritten, and you can bet that eventually it will when someone challenges it and wins. Simply give the trail cops decibel meters and let them go and I am all for it.

 

[ger]

you said what I meant/said just way shorter , thanks

 

[Sled Dog]

Guys all Rick is saying that he did not write the laws but is paid to enforce them. Now I would think any officer who had a sled stopped and it was not overly loud would not even care if it was a aftermarket muffler or not. Now if the sled was heard coming for 5 mins and getting louder as it approached. This is a different situation now that this loudness caught the officers attention then he would investigate why once it is stopped. I say more power to him as the noise is going to hurt our sport in the long term if we dont look after it ourselves.

 

[Rick M]

Its not about me relaxing....I am relaxed...I was trying to help someone who was recieving bad advise on here as to his pipe being legal. At any rate...you continue to interpret the laws....and share your misguided interpretations...and we will continue to write stubs, for "Drive Motorized Snow Vehicle with Modified Component".....and try to salvage what is left of our trail system....as the tree huggers try to shut us all down.

Rick

 

[ger]

Sorry Rick , I did not mean the part about you need to relax , I am just saying that I am fine with it if the police have db meters, but to say it is not original is in my opinion not right . What is next my track is not original. I do see the noise as a problem but lets deal with the noise on a level .

My yosh pipe on my quad is quieter than stock with the small tec kit in it , why cant that be the case with a sled , what if the pipe is quieter than stock?

Not trying to start arguments just looking for reasons

 

[Prairie Dog]

Ger- your wife has aftermarket cans?

Rick- If I was riding my sled and didn't attract your attention, ie: not acting like an idiot, then perhaps my Micron muffler, which sounds nicer than stock wouldn't get noticed, and not ticketed. End of story.

 

[Rick M]

Prairie...you are 100% correct, there are lots of people who we check, who as they pull away we say...those are stingers.....but drive away civilized...and we ignore....then there are the ones who wail towards us or away as agressively as they can, making as much noise as they can, maybe obeying the speed limit...they get tagged. Also the ones we hear coming for 10 minutes....one guy last week we listened to for 10-15 minutes terrorizing the town...I went and found him...he was twice prohibited from driving, had no insurance, etc, and will likely do a small amount of time....I told him if it wasn't for his pipes...we wouldn't be dealing with him.
There is no question atleast where I am, if you drive sensibly, your pipes will go unnoticed...can't speak for Quebec though.

Another point....most people who are not very familiar with our 4 strokes, wouldn't be able to tell if the pipe was changed, since the changes are under the seat...even taking a picture wouldn't be much proof...if a guy was to switch back to stock later.