Should Yamaha offer a bigger tank on SOME Nytros

[craze1cars]

I will not buy this sled this year! There are two reason why......

1. 7 gallon gas tank! I presently ride an 07 Renegade 600sdi and I get great gas mileage. I also carry the ski-doo jerrycan with three gallons in it and have used that extra gas twice this year.......

2. No 136 track length option! Come on Yamaha! I bet that the Atack is one, if not the best seller for you . Give me a 136 option.

I so want to buy a Yamaha, but they still have not hit the nail on the head for me yet. A FX Nitro with 10 gallon tank and a 136 inch track, and you would have had my money...

wut he sed...

 

[skyboz]

Cats site says 9 gal. tank for the Z1.

Cat did change it!!! WTF!!! I thought I was going nuts!! There's talk about it on HCS.

 

[silversurfer]

SS you are not getting the POINT,you like the 7gal tank and Yamaha is making it

Some riders want a 150mile range minimum and would like to see Yamaha,add a bigger tank on SOME Nytros so they can enjoy the new tech that the Nytro offers like lightweight EFI 130+hp sled with a rider forward like the Rev

NO ONE is saying get rid of the 7gal tank all together

No, I get it. You would like some Nytros to have a tank that allows them more range. Not that hard to understand. I'd like to see you get what you are looking for; I'm not opposed to it at all. I just don't think it will happen, as it turns it into a totally diff sled.

because you are not a rider that rides long miles when he goes out

Errrr....how can you even say this? No offense, but you've never even ridden with me. The sleds I've owned or ridden got about 100 miles to the tank, but it was still fine. /shrug. I've ridden plenty of 2-300 mile days. With the Nytro, that would be maybe 3 fill-ups. If you ride in areas that you only see gas 2-3 times a day, this is not the sled for you.

Nor is the ZR considred a cruising sled but even with 11-12mpg I get 140miles to a tank and I do NOT have to plan my ride according to where gas station are all the time

Again...let's ignore the fact that the Nytro gets 16 mpg while your sled gets 9? 10? We are talking about an extra 20 miles or so. If that makes a difference to you, that's fine. But you may be looking for the wrong sled.

but the point is many want a sled that is that is good on gas aka the 15-18mpg 4strokes and want the 150+mile RANGE

I know. Like I said, I would like it too. I just don't think this will happen with this sled. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong.

the bonus would be less $$$$

No. If it gets the same gas mileage, no $$$ savings are involved.

but back to original intention of this post is many riders ride 150miles + without seeing a gas station
TRUE some of you ride in more populated areas that have a gas every 20-50miles so a 7 gal tank and a 100miles range is sufficient

Again - another 25 lbs of weight for a 10 gallon tank and you have a souped up Vector, which would be cool. But I do not think they are going to change it. We can agree to disagree, it's ok.

 

[woodtic]

Just put the new motor in a 10 gallon vector and i will buy one.

 

[errol]

My point of view on this is that for the Nytro MTX, 7.4 gallon is NOT enough when you are riding in powder! Bottom line!

For trail riding, I think it's enough but not for a day off trail!

For me, and my type of riding, I would have to find a way to carry an extra 2 gallons on the Nytro MTX!

Even with my Apex Mtn I carry an extra 2 gallons for those long day off trail!

Hopefully Yamaha will offer a gas can similar to the one on the REV that can be fitted easily on the back of the tunnel!!!

Just my $0.02!

Errol

 

[Yamahnator]

I guess the best way to put it is this. When I'm out riding they aren't looking to the Phazer wondering how the gas is... They're looking to the cat, Pol or (some models) Doo. They simply did the average on what the competition's range is and went with it. Yes, it's marketing, and perhaps some of you would actually use that extra space. However in all the 4 strokes I've owned I've never gotten any real benefit for having the extra gallons. We roll up to a gas station and I still fill up, it just costs me less. It will be the same with the Nytro.

 

[ReX]

My points:

- I doubt there is a sled owner out there that hasn't at least once come close to running out of gas. In our case, we regularly modify our trip plans and stop riding early because we don't have enough fuel range with our 4-stroke Yamaha's. Annoyingly our REV riding buddies can ride many more miles without filling up and could often make it to the next larger town where the gas stations are still open. We end up stopping for the day because of the 4-stroke Yamaha's.

- For the sled owner there is no disadvantage to having a larger tank, only benefits. You can always fill it 1/2 full if that's what you really want.

- The FX Nytro is situated squarely against the REV for market competition. The "hard core" X-package REV with the 600SDI motor (similar power to weight as the FX Nytro) is good for about 200 miles without refueling. It also has an extra 3 gallon optional gas tank available right from BRP.

- Looking at the big picture, having a larger tank will only increase your enjoyment of the sled (more "turn the key and ride" time without having to fill up and less worry about finding fuel).

- Why should the RTX version have a smaller tank than the base model?

- The only reason to have a smaller tank on a sled is to market it as lighter "wet". With some intelligent marketing, weights could be compared ready to ride 100 miles and the larger fuel range offered with a larger tank could be used to directly compete with BRP's large fuel range claims (which are true). I wouldn't be surprised at all if BRP's marketing division manages to turn Yamaha's small fuel range decision against Yamaha (pointing out that a small tank is used to "artificially" improve wet weights and how this leaves the consumer stuck with being the sledder in the group to force everyone to keep stopping/searching for fuel).

I would like to see the FX Nytro RTX with the same fuel range or better than an MXZ X-Package 600SDI.

With a larger tank the FX Nytro would be an excellent all around "do everything extremely well" sled - including ditch banging, aggressive riding and long distance riding.

BTW, the sleds I currently ride with are fairly new (2 years old or less): Apex's, MXZ 600SDI's, MXZ 800PTEK's, and Mach Z's. The Apex's have the worst fuel range of all of them when cruising and the FX Nytro will probably be worse still.

 

[Yamahnator]

My points:

- I doubt there is a sled owner out there that hasn't at least once come close to running out of gas. In our case, we regularly modify our trip plans and stop riding early because we don't have enough fuel range with our 4-stroke Yamaha's. Annoyingly our REV riding buddies can ride many more miles without filling up and could often make it to the next larger town where the gas stations are still open. We end up stopping for the day because of the 4-stroke Yamaha's.

- For the sled owner there is no disadvantage to having a larger tank, only benefits. You can always fill it 1/2 full if that's what you really want.

- The FX Nytro is situated squarely against the REV for market competition. The "hard core" X-package REV with the 600SDI motor (similar power to weight as the FX Nytro) is good for about 200 miles without refueling. It also has an extra 3 gallon optional gas tank available right from BRP.

- Looking at the big picture, having a larger tank will only increase your enjoyment of the sled (more "turn the key and ride" time without having to fill up and less worry about finding fuel).

- Why should the RTX version have a smaller tank than the base model?

- The only reason to have a smaller tank on a sled is to market it as lighter "wet". With some intelligent marketing, weights could be compared ready to ride 100 miles and the larger fuel range offered with a larger tank could be used to directly compete with BRP's large fuel range claims (which are true). I wouldn't be surprised at all if BRP's marketing division manages to turn Yamaha's small fuel range decision against Yamaha (pointing out that a small tank is used to "artificially" improve wet weights and how this leaves the consumer stuck with being the sledder in the group to force everyone to keep stopping/searching for fuel).

I would like to see the FX Nytro RTX with the same fuel range as an MXZ X-Package 600SDI.

With a larger tank the FX Nytro would be an excellent all around "do everything extremely well" sled - including ditch banging, aggressive riding and long distance riding.

BTW, the sleds I currently ride with are fairly new (2 years old or less): Apex's, MXZ 600SDI's, MXZ 800PTEK's, and Mach Z's. The Apex's have the worst fuel range of all of them when cruising and the FX Nytro will probably be worse still.

It wouldn't have bothered me in the least if they had made a bigger tank. You and I both know that it's a marketing war and one thats being made a big issue of over in the yellow camp. I'm not afraid of another 20 lb's on a sled because I know YOU CAN'T FEEL IT. No matter who says they can they're a liar. So I can agree with you somewhat, however...

I ride with Cat's, Pols and Doos. The Doo's are overated in my experience for mileage, but still get the best and I look to them last to ask about gas. The Poo's and Cats are gas guzzlers and usually we're gasing up because of them. Like I said on my RX's and Attak I usually would gas as well just to be full so the extra range really never did me any good.

Not a big deal to me because I'm really have no use for the extra range. And I would hazard to bet that the majority of the people here (at least those who ride with other makes) don't either.

 

[Kråkan]

My points:

- I doubt there is a sled owner out there that hasn't at least once come close to running out of gas. In our case, we regularly modify our trip plans and stop riding early because we don't have enough fuel range with our 4-stroke Yamaha's. Annoyingly our REV riding buddies can ride many more miles without filling up and could often make it to the next larger town where the gas stations are still open. We end up stopping for the day because of the 4-stroke Yamaha's.

- For the sled owner there is no disadvantage to having a larger tank, only benefits. You can always fill it 1/2 full if that's what you really want.

- The FX Nytro is situated squarely against the REV for market competition. The "hard core" X-package REV with the 600SDI motor (similar power to weight as the FX Nytro) is good for about 200 miles without refueling. It also has an extra 3 gallon optional gas tank available right from BRP.

- Looking at the big picture, having a larger tank will only increase your enjoyment of the sled (more "turn the key and ride" time without having to fill up and less worry about finding fuel).

- Why should the RTX version have a smaller tank than the base model?

- The only reason to have a smaller tank on a sled is to market it as lighter "wet". With some intelligent marketing, weights could be compared ready to ride 100 miles and the larger fuel range offered with a larger tank could be used to directly compete with BRP's large fuel range claims (which are true). I wouldn't be surprised at all if BRP's marketing division manages to turn Yamaha's small fuel range decision against Yamaha (pointing out that a small tank is used to "artificially" improve wet weights and how this leaves the consumer stuck with being the sledder in the group to force everyone to keep stopping/searching for fuel).

I would like to see the FX Nytro RTX with the same fuel range as an MXZ X-Package 600SDI.

With a larger tank the FX Nytro would be an excellent all around "do everything extremely well" sled - including ditch banging, aggressive riding and long distance riding.

BTW, the sleds I currently ride with are fairly new (2 years old or less): Apex's, MXZ 600SDI's, MXZ 800PTEK's, and Mach Z's. The Apex's have the worst fuel range of all of them when cruising and the FX Nytro will probably be worse still.

It wouldn't have bothered me in the least if they had made a bigger tank. You and I both know that it's a marketing war and one thats being made a big issue of over in the yellow camp. I'm not afraid of another 20 lb's on a sled because I know YOU CAN'T FEEL IT. No matter who says they can they're a liar. So I can agree with you somewhat, however...

I ride with Cat's, Pols and Doos. The Doo's are overated in my experience for mileage, but still get the best and I look to them last to ask about gas. The Poo's and Cats are gas guzzlers and usually we're gasing up because of them. Like I said on my RX's and Attak I usually would gas as well just to be full so the extra range really never did me any good.

Not a big deal to me because I'm really have no use for the extra range. And I would hazard to bet that the majority of the people here (at least those who ride with other makes) don't either.

Exactly, My friends have got edge 600, edge 700, -97 mach Z and so on.... I think the tank is big enough.... When they are out of gas il still have alittle left....

 

[ReX]

Exactly, My friends have got edge 600, edge 700, -97 mach Z and so on.... I think the tank is big enough.... When they are out of gas il still have alittle left....

Wait until your buddies have all upgraded to REVs (the #1 selling sled by far). Then you'll discover how much it takes away from your sledding enjoyment to be the one always needing gas first.

The worst case is when your on sledding vacation and running a little behind schedule. The entire group wants to push on to the original destination that is 220 km (135 miles) away on fast trails (2.5 hour ride), but the only gas station on route is closed for the day. Because your brand new 4-stroke can't make the distance, the entire group ends up finding a place to stay locally and ends up stuck with a reservation you can't cancel (or the group splits up). If I'm riding with REVs this is almost guaranteed to happen. Luckily some of the REVs have an extra 3 gallon tank of gas and that can often be used to get the Apex's (and in the future FX Nytro's) to the destination.

BTW, I just talked to two of my 06 Apex riding buddies and both have decided to be on REVs next season. For one of them fuel range was a big part of the decision.

There's no question about it now, I am going to have to add at least 3 gallons of fuel storage to my 07 RTX because I refuse to be the one holding the group back (and refuse to go back to 2-strokes).

 

[Kråkan]

Im not saying that some of u need bigger tanks but i realy DONT! And here in sweden we dont run like u do. I went 215km last weekend and i had atleast 6 gasstations in that route. And i can tell u the trails was NOT very good so any longer would be tough! your trails are like a f..n road. and i belive thats u need gas for your very long rides. but that just WOUNT happen here....

215km ditchbanging is enough.....

 

[Sled Dog]

Not everyone rides the trail system. I just finished riding with a group from SE Sask and we never hit any groomed trails. All fields and rough trail bigger tank would be nice.

 

[sledsearcher]

I would like to take a closer look at the Nytro...is there room for a larger gas tank? Because of the exhaust you cannot run the tank under the seat (ala REV XP). To make the tank larger may force the rider back an inch which could make for a very different ride/handling sled. I have no idea if any of this is true, as this is pure speculation. Just some thoughts I have regarding the gas tank size. I think 2 more gallons would go along way for the guys looking for "range". ALmost 10 gallons should net you 150+ miles, which is better then most (just not quite 600SDI range).

 

[silversurfer]

I would like to take a closer look at the Nytro...is there room for a larger gas tank? Because of the exhaust you cannot run the tank under the seat (ala REV XP). To make the tank larger may force the rider back an inch which could make for a very different ride/handling sled. I have no idea if any of this is true, as this is pure speculation. Just some thoughts I have regarding the gas tank size. I think 2 more gallons would go along way for the guys looking for "range". ALmost 10 gallons should net you 150+ miles, which is better then most (just not quite 600SDI range).

EXACTLY. Said it before, glad you picked up on it too.

To answer your question - I think it was a photoshop, but someone showed a picture of a little 2 gallon tank right in the nose. I'm sure someone will rig something up...

 

[skyboz]

I would like to take a closer look at the Nytro...is there room for a larger gas tank? Because of the exhaust you cannot run the tank under the seat (ala REV XP). To make the tank larger may force the rider back an inch which could make for a very different ride/handling sled. I have no idea if any of this is true, as this is pure speculation. Just some thoughts I have regarding the gas tank size. I think 2 more gallons would go along way for the guys looking for "range". ALmost 10 gallons should net you 150+ miles, which is better then most (just not quite 600SDI range).

EXACTLY. Said it before, glad you picked up on it too.

To answer your question - I think it was a photoshop, but someone showed a picture of a little 2 gallon tank right in the nose. I'm sure someone will rig something up...

Here ya' go!

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