Sidehilling

[WANN4STROKE]

I have a stock 2006 Apex Mtn Se and yesterday was the first time I've had mountain time on it. A lot of side hilling and I hated it. It took everything I had to keep it going uphill and I am a big guy-300 lbs. If I pointed it straight up-no problem. Same with everybody else who rode it-far better riders than I.

So what changes do I need to make? I am not a big motor head with a big budget but I do not want to get disinheartened by one day of Mtn riding. Most of my riding is trails, hills and boondocking. I like the horsepower but maybe I should have held out for the Nytro MTX.

Thxs.

David

 

[niko]

Had the same prob with mine, ive put the 8" bar riser on it which has helped heaps with keeping it tiped sidehilling. I think the skis are a big prob too, im yet to change them over but will soon.
You really need to get in the habit of counter steering otherwise you end up tipping over sidehilling.
Also it depends on the type of snow too, hard packed and its a bitch, powder and its easyer.

niko.

 

[CHRIS MTN]

If you are doing a lot of side hilling, take out your sway bar so that the skis will work indepently.

Expierment a lot with where you place your feet on the running boards.

You might also want to back off your springs on you front shaocks, again to let the skis work better.

Being smooth with the throttle will help a lot. Between the power of the motor and the engine braking it is very easy to shift your weight where you don't want it when your are trying to find the balance piont side hilling.

 

[GotJuice]

I'll try to lend some in sight

I too felt like the sled sucked at first BUT have discovered it was more my riding style then the sled. I have set up my suspension as follows, Venture rear shock, stiff front shock,heavy duty torsion springs & pulled the limiter straps up two holes. I run the Front shocks, (floats) at 75 lbs with the weight of the sled on them. I run the sway bar too. I have tried a few different ski's and went back to the stock ski's, next set I try will be the Simmons Gen II that are 10" wide. My fear with these ski's is it will be a bitch to get it on it's side quickly with the wider stance....time will tell on that one.
If you have 6" of powder or more you can counter steer by standing with both feet on the hill side of the sled and it will walk any where you wanna go. Use the throttle to control the outside ski, more throttle picks the ski up and it counter steer easier, less throttle and it requires more balance/weight distribution from you. I have a 2.5" Rox riser and learn to stand back farther on the boards to balance out the front heavy 4 stroke unless the powder is deep then it doesn't matter. I alos added a Gold Finger left hand throttle to help out on those harder snow days when I'm just leaning out and using the strap to side hill. I've learned to push with my leg against the tunnel when side hilling, which ever leg is farthest back and lean, get your azz down as low as the seat and it will work fine, it's all getting used to the sled really. One thing you can't forget is it's a heavier nosed sled and untill you remove some weight off the nose these are things you'll learn to over come with experience. I have 800 miles on mine strictly mountain miles and can go anywhere anyone else can go and then some, was riding yesterday with a 900 1M Cat and he was stuck on two side hills I cruised right over, hang your azz out and ride it like your woman not the couch and you'll be golden....CHEERS
>>You do know how to counter steer right? This is where you lean the way you want to go and turn the opposite whil pulling up on the outside hand grip and giving throttle....you know ...carving.

 

[REXX]

I agree withGotJuice.

Left hand throttle works good while sitting and sidehilling.

When standing the riser is your friend (add 2-3" over stock) and move your inside foot back further than your outside foot..(push down on the inside tail of sled.) A big benefit to the APEX is the wide running boards. On the big hills it is super easy to swing a leg over and comfortably stand on one side...(your lefty's a big benefit here as well.)

I agree with the 75lbs. in the Fox floats.

I use the Gen II's...and have no problems sidehilling or carving. In fact if I cut too hard they are so wide I tend to skate up onto them.

As with any sled don't follow your buddy's tail light, and don't be right behind him. You might need to sidehill at a slightly faster pace, or use a different path. Look far ahead and pick your own line. This will help you to keep a more even push on the throttle and prevent throttle on throttle off.

I hope this helps u out.

REXX
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'07 Apex mtn SE turbo, 312 hp.
Western Canada

 

[TonyD]

If you are doing a lot of side hilling, take out your sway bar so that the skis will work indepently.

Expierment a lot with where you place your feet on the running boards.

You might also want to back off your springs on you front shaocks, again to let the skis work better.

Being smooth with the throttle will help a lot. Between the power of the motor and the engine braking it is very easy to shift your weight where you don't want it when your are trying to find the balance piont side hilling.

What are the disadvantages of removing the sway bar?

 

[WANN4STROKE]

About the riser-did you disconnect the TORS? I had one but it set of the TORS. Has been suggested to disconnect and get a tether.

Thxs.

David

PS Where is Klukwan-I am familiar with the word-Spent a lot of tim in SE AK.

 

[adrenaline junkey]

lot of good information above but it all comes down to getting your weight in the right place and learning . I found the best way for me is to keep all my weight to the up hill side and counter steer to keep the sled balanced. I too run the generation II skies and haven't noticed it any harder. they only add 1 inch on each out side of the ski. If i remember right out side to outside of the skies were 48.25 inches

 

[REXX]

About the riser-did you disconnect the TORS?

You shouldn't have to disconnect TORS for a riser. The wiring runs back into a wiring bundle under the light pod. In here there are two connectors where it can be disconnected. By rerouting the wire a bit you should be fine, but if you had to you could extend it at that point.
With some left hand throttles (ie)POWERMADD) you have to disconnect it and should then use a tether.

REXX
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'07 Apex mtn SE turbo
Western Canada

 

[niko]

my 10" total riser is fine and doesnt set off the tors.
All i did was reroute the throttle cable and moved the throttle handle closer to the middle of the bars.
Works fine now.

niko.