Holomis Int
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Hey Guys
I am new to this forum and to the Yamaha world! I would appreciate some honest feedback from all of you guys. My wife took a season off of snowmobiling last year to cross country ski (I know, I know
) This year she decided she would like to get back into it. I have been wanting to get her a Phazer for the last couple seasons. Anyways a great deal came up on one so we headed out to Whistler to pick it up. When we got there they had another identical machine so we decided to purchase both of them.
With her machine we will be doing the 151" track and relocation, we will be doing custom tunnel sides and our custom running boards, custom bumpers, and probably exhaust along with some paint to change it up a bit, that's all good and fine and I know she will love the sled.
The question is will I be happy with one of these machines if I supercharge it??? Before you answer that I give you some background, my last 3 sleds were all 2 stroke turbo's. 1 was M8 Turbo, 1 was D7 Turbo and the other was an XP Turbo, loved the machines and loved the power, believe it or not my favorite was the carb XP, least amount of fiddling around, but to be honest with you all the machines were very little fiddling around. I built all 3 of them and took meticulous care in building them. I have attached photo's for your reference.
Anyways, is it best to just build these 2 Phazers up with the above mentioned mods and then sell the one and build myslef another 2 stroke turbo or do you guys think this phazer can provide enough enjoyment. I mainly boondock through the tree's and meadows, but do occasionally like to pull that one big climb to get it out of my system for the day.
Looking forward to your honest feedback!
I am new to this forum and to the Yamaha world! I would appreciate some honest feedback from all of you guys. My wife took a season off of snowmobiling last year to cross country ski (I know, I know
) This year she decided she would like to get back into it. I have been wanting to get her a Phazer for the last couple seasons. Anyways a great deal came up on one so we headed out to Whistler to pick it up. When we got there they had another identical machine so we decided to purchase both of them. With her machine we will be doing the 151" track and relocation, we will be doing custom tunnel sides and our custom running boards, custom bumpers, and probably exhaust along with some paint to change it up a bit, that's all good and fine and I know she will love the sled.
The question is will I be happy with one of these machines if I supercharge it??? Before you answer that I give you some background, my last 3 sleds were all 2 stroke turbo's. 1 was M8 Turbo, 1 was D7 Turbo and the other was an XP Turbo, loved the machines and loved the power, believe it or not my favorite was the carb XP, least amount of fiddling around, but to be honest with you all the machines were very little fiddling around. I built all 3 of them and took meticulous care in building them. I have attached photo's for your reference.
Anyways, is it best to just build these 2 Phazers up with the above mentioned mods and then sell the one and build myslef another 2 stroke turbo or do you guys think this phazer can provide enough enjoyment. I mainly boondock through the tree's and meadows, but do occasionally like to pull that one big climb to get it out of my system for the day.
Looking forward to your honest feedback!
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Holomis Int
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Well I ended up taking the plunge and have an MPI kit on it's way, let the two Phazer build begin!
greenthumb
Pro
I have both a stocker and a turbo. The stocker with a 151 will do local riding, just with lots of WOT and some strategy when climbing.
I feel the power of the turbo is roughly equivalent to a newer 800 2s. You may be a little disappointed comming from more powerful sleds. That aside, it's a very playful chassis and boondocks very well, but has a very different feel and takes getting used to. I would like more power, but I like the chassis enough to stick with it.
I bought mine used, and it has been finicky, mostly exhaust issues. I think install quality makes or breaks it as far as reliability goes. With an experienced self install and a super instead of a turbo, that should help out heaps.
Are you in Vernon? Im from that area too.
I feel the power of the turbo is roughly equivalent to a newer 800 2s. You may be a little disappointed comming from more powerful sleds. That aside, it's a very playful chassis and boondocks very well, but has a very different feel and takes getting used to. I would like more power, but I like the chassis enough to stick with it.
I bought mine used, and it has been finicky, mostly exhaust issues. I think install quality makes or breaks it as far as reliability goes. With an experienced self install and a super instead of a turbo, that should help out heaps.
Are you in Vernon? Im from that area too.
Did you build the boards on the Doo and Pooh? If that's an example of your handy work ... Nice Job. 
Can't answer your questions about the power, but I can tell you an NA Phazer is not a climber. Please post pics of the boards/tunnel/bumper work you do!!! Looking forward to seeing your results.
Can't answer your questions about the power, but I can tell you an NA Phazer is not a climber. Please post pics of the boards/tunnel/bumper work you do!!! Looking forward to seeing your results.Holomis Int
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greenthumb said:
Hey thanks for the feed back! I'm thinking more then likely I will build this with the mentality of it being a boondocking machine that will be fun for the cloudy days in the tree's and then I will build another turbo 2 stroke during the winter while still having something to ride. With that being said 90% of my riding is small pokes in the tree's so the bottom end grunt and S/C should lend it self well to that. Yes I am in Vernon.
Holomis Int
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OVR4D said:Did you build the boards on the Doo and Pooh? If that's an example of your handy work ... Nice Job.
Thanks for your feedback, yes I did build the boards on both those machines and will be building a couple sets for these Phazers. I will do a whole build log on these machines once I start into it.
Holomis Int
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greenthumb said:
What kind of exhaust issues are you having? I am thinking of running a sportbike can on both the S/C machine and the "stock" machine, what kind of adverse effects will this cause, based on your experience.
greenthumb
Pro
Holomis Int said:
Cracking in the header. Several times. Then the flex couplers started to disintegrate. Doughnuts sometimes didn't last one ride, so I eliminated them.
I could tell the previous owner had done repairs too. Ended up making my own exhaust/header and no problems so far. At bare minimum I would recommend you re weld the flanges at the head as they have a tendency break there even on stock machines.
The other big issue is heat. Stockers seem to be fine, but boosted there are problems. It's no secret that turbo phazers tend to catch fire. It's my hunch that they crack the exhaust and the escaping gasses melt the very close fuel tank. I had a close call, even melted some aluminum. I would highly recommend you beef up the shielding between the exhaust and tank at a bare minimum and leave the front tunnel opening as is.
I don't think youll have any issues with changing the muffler, it's common.
Holomis Int
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greenthumb said:
Thanks for the heads up, I will look at those problem areas for sure!
Holomis Int
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Hey Guys
Just starting to pull out the wallet and getting ready to order some parts, so that I can get started on these machines in October. I would appreciate feedback from you Phazer pro's on some of the follow questions.
There are two different goals with these machines. The machine that will be naturally aspirated is for my wife, the goal with this machine is to give her a good platform that will be very nimble and yet forgiving in the deeper snow. So I am thinking for her a 151"-153" would probably be a good option, we will change out the exhaust, get rid of the majority of the steel components on the machine, move back the skid and drop the angle, and then a "few" other custom touches
Now for the other machine, the super charger will be here Tuesday, this is what I am thinking would like the most feedback on:
153-159" track, what track and which drivers, should I go extrovert?
Do you believe the stock skid can be up to the task, if so what mods should be done shocks etc... from what I have read moving the skid back about 3.5" seems to be the right amount, from there I will machine custom extensions.
Anti stab kit? Yes/no
Front shocks? Which ones.
Exhaust? which one
Roll over valve? Who's should we be using.
Look forward to any and all input!
Just starting to pull out the wallet and getting ready to order some parts, so that I can get started on these machines in October. I would appreciate feedback from you Phazer pro's on some of the follow questions.
There are two different goals with these machines. The machine that will be naturally aspirated is for my wife, the goal with this machine is to give her a good platform that will be very nimble and yet forgiving in the deeper snow. So I am thinking for her a 151"-153" would probably be a good option, we will change out the exhaust, get rid of the majority of the steel components on the machine, move back the skid and drop the angle, and then a "few" other custom touches
Now for the other machine, the super charger will be here Tuesday, this is what I am thinking would like the most feedback on:
153-159" track, what track and which drivers, should I go extrovert?
Do you believe the stock skid can be up to the task, if so what mods should be done shocks etc... from what I have read moving the skid back about 3.5" seems to be the right amount, from there I will machine custom extensions.
Anti stab kit? Yes/no
Front shocks? Which ones.
Exhaust? which one
Roll over valve? Who's should we be using.
Look forward to any and all input!
greenthumb
Pro
How's that install going?
Holomis Int
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greenthumb said:
We have been so busy building our new facility that the sleds have been put to the side for about another 3-4 weeks, then we will be hitting them hard. With that being said we did get the seats removed and they are being recovered in carbon fiber material 1 is a standard grey carbon fiber and the other is a white carbon fiber. We also have the tracks and parts for the drive in, and a couple other tricks up our sleeves.
Holomis Int
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Well we have now got the ball rolling on the builds, it will be a couple more weeks before we really get humming on these but we have started.
Just as a re cap these are 2009 high KMs fleet rental machines, that are exceptional well maintained.
So far we have gathered 2 new 153 take off tracks, one complete set of nytro shocks (which we will be modding to work for one machine) the other machine (for my wife) will keep stock suspension. We also got the super charger for the one machine and we have started collection most of the parts for the meth injection kit.
Our sewing department has just finished our seat covers 1 in carbon fiber white and the other in carbon fiber grey. They turned out exceptional and we will be attaching them shortly to show the final result.
Then it will be on to tearing everything down for powder coat and then start on building two sets of new running boards.
Stay tuned we are just getting into it!
Just as a re cap these are 2009 high KMs fleet rental machines, that are exceptional well maintained.
So far we have gathered 2 new 153 take off tracks, one complete set of nytro shocks (which we will be modding to work for one machine) the other machine (for my wife) will keep stock suspension. We also got the super charger for the one machine and we have started collection most of the parts for the meth injection kit.
Our sewing department has just finished our seat covers 1 in carbon fiber white and the other in carbon fiber grey. They turned out exceptional and we will be attaching them shortly to show the final result.
Then it will be on to tearing everything down for powder coat and then start on building two sets of new running boards.
Stay tuned we are just getting into it!
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Climbmax
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Nice project.......like to see your running boards when you get them done.
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Holomis Int
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Climbmax said:
Thanks, much appreciated, we are looking forward to getting the running boards built as well. We have come up with a new design this year for our grips in our tube board design. I think people are really going to like them.
We will do a complete build log on our new blog http://holomis.blogspot.ca/
Check back often to see the progress!
Thanks again
