Trouble with my shock rub kit

[ROCKERDAN]

well,after 20 miles My bearings in my kit also have lost the side covers....bearings are exposed....

I realize this kit came out over the summer and have a funny feeling it never was able to be thouroghly tested in winter....I would recommend everyone looks at theirs to see how it look.

I dont know if this will be a problem or not,obviously the bearings are now OPEN to all the elements but for today Im gonna just ride it....

My guess is the bearing chattering on the stud heads is too much for the side covers to take and they blow off....or else its ice tearing them up??

I guess this Fix is another one if those things we hoped would work but in the end Its gonna have to come out....

Not too worried about 25 bucks as it was cheap....I was just hoping this was a fix for our rubbing shock issues,but looks like back to the drawing board.

Did anyone ever find a larger set of upper idlers to move track further away from shock?..i recall talk about that last season.

Dan

 

[Srxspec]

Machzed, please contact us at your convenience so we can replace your failed parts.

 

[sobfrogg]

It does however let people know to keep an eye on it. For the people that purchased the part.

Thanks for the report

 

[Srxspec]

Yes and there is already one other post of the only other shock rub kit to fail that was talked about just the other day and mentioned to check them.

http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=38014&highlight=

We will replace machzed's just as we did the other one free of charge. As with any bearing, whether it's in a wheel or on a jackshaft or driveshaft common knowledge shoult tell you it should always be checked every now and then. Even if the wheels fail and lock up solid it provides a smoother area and a larger radius than if it were to just wear on the shock itself. There are two pads on the front arm that the track rubs against that is the same surface area as what would be rubbing if the track rub kit failed.

 

[Shivesy]

Srxspec:
I understand what you are saying but Dan was just giving us a heads up on his findings. Your first post came across a bit defensive on the subject which I find to be a little tacky. I feel when you advertise your product on this site your up against a double-edge sword. Meaning that you automatically expose yourself to positive and negative feedback that will be exposed on this forum.

As a professional one needs to accept Dans response with a positive solution which I'm glad you did in your second post. Thanks for standing behind your product.

 

[sobfrogg]

Well said Shivesy

 

[nate007]

I agree completely with Shivesy. Allen, I truly belive that you are one of the only parts suppliers/manufacturers that regularly visit this site. I'm not sure that this will always bring you joy. Although I have not been a customer of yours yet, I do look at everything that happens with the modifications that people do to their sleds, weather it is from you, or anybody else, and will take the feedback under advisement.
In my opinion (which is just that - an opinion), I feel that you may be a little to tight lipped about your products. I asked a question about an airbox, and never really got a good response that would have made me feel like I should spend $150 on it, plus send you my old one.
Long story short, you are going to expose your self to many different types of shoppers, and like me, many guys are very pationate about this stuff, and are going to scrutinize everything!
We want the people on this site to share ideas and feedback. That is what make this place what it is, and we all value your knowledge and hard work to make the parts that make us enjoy or machines even more!
Nate

 

[Srxspec]

Shivesy, I understand what you're saying, but it's frustrating to see a report of a failure and an attack on our testing processes. I have no problems with the report of the failure itself, but I do have a problem with an attack of our testing process and especially when there has been no phone call to speak directly to us on the matter. Sorry if I showed some frustration, but put yourself in the same shoes and relook at the situation. You'll probably find yourself with the same reaction as I had. Posting a failure on the internet is fine, but at least contact the manufacturer for some feedback on it. Again please accept my apology for getting a little bit frustrated, it doesn't happen very often if you do a look through my posts on here.

nate007, I'm sorry if I missed your air box post. If I was to sit down and have to read through every post from every day I would never get anything else done. A little tight lipped about our products? Well yes, when it comes to an air box mod, I may be, but only to protect our company and our modification. Our business hours are posted and our phone number is there also where you can call and ask questions directly or there is also our email address as well. If you go back and look through every post I've ever made on here since the summer of 2002 you'd find that I've provided much more than just aftermarket parts to this forum. I try to help out with any broken parts or resolutions that I can and with any problems that I've seen first hand or have first hand knowledge of as well whether we sell something to fix it or not. You're preaching to the choir about passion for this sport. We're involved in the aftermarket business, grass drags, asphalt drags, a dozen different snowmobile clubs, the South Dakota state trails system advisory council and work on local peoples sleds to keep them going. This isn't a job or a hobby, it's a passion to keep people involved and get more new people involved!

 

[Tork]

It is in the rules section..... give an advertiser a heads up PM or phone call first rather than blindside them and kill the product with a front page news story. We want you guys to have what works and if something doesnt work news does need to get our there, but jeez, give a bit of revamping time here which could be as easy as substituting a different bearing.

Advertisers make this site possible and some spend countless hours here helping everybody, so a little bit of courtesy in return is the right thing to do.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Hi Allen...

I really wasnt wanting anything negative here...and I appreciate your response....I just wanted to get the word out that IMO with with less then 20 miles we have a failure....and another member did as well....which made me think since produce came out in summer that it possible didnt have a winter to test it thouroghly...

this in know way has anything to do with you or your other products...A bearing cover coming off is simply an issue with the bearing...the design and theory behind this simple product is a great idea!....

this is why I also stated I will leave this ON the sled,even with a open bearing,it spins freely and is always going to be better then rubbing on the shock....

as you said,even IF bearing didnt even turn,they would be less fatigue on track then the shock.

Sure I could call you and give you heads up...However I feel that you sending me another kit with exact same bearings wont help me or other potential buyers...Honestly Im not interested In another bearing which will likely do the same thing sooner or later.

Im sorry if this isnt TY policy,and If this thread dissappears Ill know I had better be more tactful in the future....

As i said,25 bucks was cheap and wont break the bank in anyway....and Possibly I can come up with some sort of fix utilizing the same IDEA.....who knows.

Allen,dont worry about sending me another,its really no bigdeal...I just wanted everyone to keep eyes peeled for theirs...after all 20 miles on a smooth lake shouldnt hurt anything...I just think the bearings hitting stud heads must have something to do with it....but who knows.

Dan

 

[suprfst]

I was curious how many rpms the bearing is turning so I did the math,what I came up with(which could be wrong) at 100 mph its turning 22,419 rpms.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I was curious how many rpms the bearing is turning so I did the math,what I came up with(which could be wrong) at 100 mph its turning 22,419 rpms.

actually i dont think it turns much at all...it does not touch the track....it only is there when track flexes and saves it from hitting shock....It doesnt constantly spin.

Dan

 

[snowbeast]

It is in the rules section..... give an advertiser a heads up PM or phone call first rather than blindside them and kill the product with a front page news story. We want you guys to have what works and if something doesnt work news does need to get our there, but jeez, give a bit of revamping time here which could be as easy as substituting a different bearing.

Advertisers make this site possible and some spend countless hours here helping everybody, so a little bit of courtesy in return is the right thing to do.

Well said tork,people are quick to jump on a product to try and just as quick to jump on the key pad to add comment about how good or bad it worked,but like some have stated we just need to remember what we write here on our trusty key board,is here for everyone in the world to read and review in there owne minds,weather they have this product or not,i agree,if we have any problem with anyones product that we dont think works up to the hype of its advertisement,than firstly contact the manufacturer IMO !!

 

[hypertxer]

i think ulmer is a great distributer he trys his best. others would tell you to f yourself. im not bieng negitive but allens always helped and responded to any of my ? and i apprieciate it.and i think we need more like him. thanks allen

 

[ROCKERDAN]

hey guys...was just trying to keep EVERYONE aware of what is happening with these...I dont agree with sweeping things under carpet with PMs or phone calls or replacements...sure this is all good but these Forums are for us ALL to gain knowledge and SHARE our experiences with our sleds and products we try....

I realize allen is good at what he does and is obviously a sponsor here at TY....and this is why I thought this should be shared in open forum so everyone can benefit from it....Allen has been great with all this and I have no quarrel with him whatsoever.

this is the best way to test products,and now allen will be able to take feedback into consideration for any other possible designs.

Hope this helps ALL of us with this issue,from the studded to non studded to novice to expert...Now we can all look for this BEFORE we have an incident with something coming apart and possibly going thru track or heat exchangers ect.

link to other thread with pics of bearing
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=38897

thanks again TY,this site rocks.
dan