Video of a track Blowing

The problem with the track and it is no slight on Anderson - especially since he is not the manufacturer - is there is no real testing to know the longevity of these tracks especially when taking into account the longer distance this sled was running - 3000 feet - and the increased HP from year to year these sleds are getting. Back about 5 years ago I witnessed a friend have her track blow out at the gun doing 165 mph and the results were not good. She lived but went through a number of operations and has pins and metal in her to keep her together. I think that one of the main reasons the guys in the US are running shorter distances is because of this but IMO I do not think I would keep a track each year for doing high speed runs in those distances with that HP. The guy who owns the sled I am sure purchased new and up to date track as he has the money to do so it is just one of those things that no one can say how long you can keep running it and how long a distance you can run it.

ptm
 
dirkdiggler said:
I believe Jeff Simons hit 170mph in the 1/4 mile "1320". Why are you guys running 3000 feet??
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Jeff simons is not a trailsled(at 170mph) and in this radar run 90% have a trailsled!

and for brp and others they want long track for big mph! :tg:

:4STroke: :Rockon:

but personnaly i think that its too dangerous,should be on 1500 feet max!
 
That track may have been made over 10-15+ years ago when speed running was in its hayday and camoplast would not make a speed run track. I would only be using new camoplast stock. Tracks only are supposed to be run for a few years, just like tires degrade and get hard, track cords rot and degrade over time. I'll take one right out of the mold thanks. 2000-3000 foot speed runs and people standing next to the track, hate to see that. Must not be sactioned by a promotor or have insurance for the event. No way would that be condoned here. If that guy would have injured a person they would own everything he has and made for the rest of his life. There is just way to much stupidity taking place in this video. From the guy that owns and rides the sled, to the people standing there, and the promotor of the event if there is one. That is a huge liability. Was it promoted? Was there insurance at this event? They will never get insurance again if the insurance company sees this vid. You guys that race like this had best take note, if you pull into a event like this. Way to much to risk if something were to happen.
 
KnappAttack said:
That track may have been made over 10-15+ years ago when speed running was in its hayday and camoplast would not make a speed run track. I would only be using new camoplast stock. Tracks only are supposed to be run for a few years, just like tires degrade and get hard, track cords rot and degrade over time. I'll take one right out of the mold thanks. 2000-3000 foot speed runs and people standing next to the track, hate to see that. Must not be sactioned by a promotor or have insurance for the event. No way would that be condoned here. If that guy would have injured a person they would own everything he has and made for the rest of his life. There is just way to much stupidity taking place in this video. From the guy that owns and rides the sled, to the people standing there, and the promotor of the event if there is one. That is a huge liability. Was it promoted? Was there insurance at this event? They will never get insurance again if the insurance company sees this vid. You guys that race like this had best take note, if you pull into a event like this. Way to much to risk if something were to happen.
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First off are you trying to say that carpet track being sold today are made 10-15 years ago??? That is highly unlikely. Speed running is still alive today in both Canada and the US. Many many sleds use these tracks and I am quite certain that not only did this sled have a new one on but everyoen prucashing one in the past years were certainly not purchasing something 10-15 years old. With the technology of today the suspensions these tracks are put in and the sleds and power from the sleds being used today are quite different. Not sure of down there but 10-15 years ago speeds were no where where they are now in radar running sleds for the very reason stated above.

I fully agree with the mentality of the guys putting on this event but it was a backyard event just like you find on many lakes on both sides of the border every weekend. I asked about insurance and it was pretty clear there was none and anyone doing this should take note of what is being said. The risk is huge and someone could be paying for the rest of their lives as well as ruining a passion held by many. This to me not only applies to radar running but also drag racing. I have seen 50 sleds line up side by side for and I think that is nuts too but it happens every weekend.

As for Jeffs asphalt sled yes it did do 170 but it was on the tar with a completley different track. I am sure the brains are at work on the longevity of those tracks as well as every year sleds keep getting faster and faster.

To me it is way to fast and if involved in something like that I would have a new track each year.

ptm
 
I don't know how old that track was, and neither does anyone else. That is the problem. Yes, there are tracks being sold that are older than that, its not as unlikely as you think, who is selling them is an unknown to most. Why do you think cleated tracks were banned here for sanctioned racing? OLD BELTING BLOWING UP. Buy a new track every year, but you can't control the old stock unless there is a born on date on them. The guys that built and sold them, were pissed when ISR got rid of them. Do you know how cleated tracks are made? They take speed run belting and cut it for the rails and add cleats. You can think what you want. I know speed runs are still alive. I went through all the track dilemmas and know who built what track, and who wouldn't build tracks for liability reasons in the 80's and 90's. How many years ago did Marv Jorgenson go 190 MPH? This is the reason our runs were shortened up to 1000 feet from a 1/4 mile. TOO MANY BLOWN TRACKS !!!!!! We used to run Unlimited sleds here in the speed wars with blown big blocks and multi engined machines using nitrous and Alcohol. Only the common mans sled has gotten faster with the addition of boost. If you have 200 tracks sitting there and have all that money invested, are you going to tell the customer the age of that track? There should be a born on date on them, but there is not.
 
KnappAttack said:
I don't know how old that track was, and neither does anyone else. That is the problem. Yes, there are tracks being sold that are older than that, its not as unlikely as you think, who is selling them is an unknown to most. Why do you think cleated tracks were banned here for sanctioned racing? OLD BELTING BLOWING UP. Buy a new track every year, but you can't control the old stock unless there is a born on date on them. The guys that built and sold them, were pissed when ISR got rid of them. Do you know how cleated tracks are made? They take speed run belting and cut it for the rails and add cleats. You can think what you want. I know speed runs are still alive. I went through all the track dilemmas and know who built what track, and who wouldn't build tracks for liability reasons in the 80's and 90's. How many years ago did Marv Jorgenson go 190 MPH? This is the reason our runs were shortened up to 1000 feet from a 1/4 mile. TOO MANY BLOWN TRACKS !!!!!! We used to run Unlimited sleds here in the speed wars with blown big blocks and multi engined machines using nitrous and Alcohol. Only the common mans sled has gotten faster with the addition of boost. If you have 200 tracks sitting there and have all that money invested, are you going to tell the customer the age of that track? There should be a born on date on them, but there is not.
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If it is as you say this is true than I personally would have a wonderful time in court against anyone selling something that sat on a shelf as long as you are saying it may have. If there are respectable business persons selling tracks like this well knowing they have sat there that long they would not be in business very long. It could be traced very easily by paper trail when tracks were pruchased and I highly doubt someone as reputable as Mr Anderson would do something like that. By the same token if a guy who has made a turbo to go 150 mph full knowing that the track in that sled cannot handle it is he now liable???

There are arguments both ways on why the distance was shortened and I highly doubt you will ever get a definite answer other than most obvious - insurance purposes - the distance was shortened. For many years we have run 2000 feet and only once have I seen a track blow out and I would have to say it may have been partially self inflicted. The fastest single engined powered sled to this day is all motor. Boost Turbos and SC while making the common mans sled faster have not shown what these built for speed sleds are like. Only a handfull of turbo sleds out there have really shown anything to talk about but the times they are a changing. Even the might CPR turbo on tar had to have two stage NOS to do what he did.

At the end of all this it is all about common sense and how one uses it.

ptm
 
It makes a guy wonder how his track will hold up just running 100mph down the trail. I know your not supposed to run high speeds for long periods with mt. paddle tracks, but with turbos and all, its just too damn much fun. lol
 
Tires do have production dates and the manufacturers only warranty them for 5 years, they also exclude any tire used for racing-but they do have speed ratings including the speeds we are discussing - something to consider. Maybe with the arrival of big hp big speed sleds the track manufacturers need to give us some guidance on what their products will take. I agree with KnappAttack, no one should be that close to anything going that fast! (not just tracks any one of many lightened up parts fail and the sled or parts can meet the fans)
 
track blew today in North Bay

I seen a guy blow his track today after he went through the gun at 174 mph in North Bay on a 2000 foot track.
 
i hope you guys have adequate room to shut down after blowing a track. that should be factored into a event that track failures are inevetible. i think speed runs should be more closley scrutinized on the safety side especially for the innocent spectators who dony have a clue about what they are seeing. in my opinion i think speed runs should be stopped. the speeds are getting way to high. just my opinion guys.
 
Re: track blew today in North Bay

deekersrx700 said:
I seen a guy blow his track today after he went through the gun at 174 mph in North Bay on a 2000 foot track.
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What was he running?
 
I have always thought standing around a sled with a radar gun is risky....

Also... I have heard Camoplast is working on "high speed" tracks.
 
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