nhrxrider
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Very true vtrx, very true. I got a little crap about it when I did mine, but I was very, very glad I did. I didn't buy my sled to brag to my friends, I bought it to do 5000+ miles a season of long distance touring. Unfortunately, the first season I was in the middle of buying a home and shop, and moving, so I only did around 2500. 2nd season it sat for a month while I waited for the dealer to do the seat update, so I only got around 3000 miles on. This season we had very poor snow conditions, and now its been down for almost a month waiting to find out about the oil burning issue and the metal in the crankcase from the stator problem. I'm hoping I will have it taken care of so I can still ride to northern Maine this season (aprox. 800 mile round trip), but its not looking good.
And Tork, yes, I do have my mind set in one direction, but I hope it doesn't affect anyone else...unless they are also looking for long distance cruisers. You know, Corvettes are very cool and have great performance. But if I was going on a road trip across the country with my family, it wouldn't be my first choice. One model won't make everyone happy, so it has to be a tradeoff. The RX used to be the perfect all-around, does everything well sled. Yamaha (and buyers) wanted more performance and less weight, so something had to suffer. Since I'm not in with the mainstream buyers, it just means that I will have a harder time finding the sled I want. When I bought my RX, I was actually seriously considering a 2-up touring sled. But the RX had everything I wanted in a touring sled, plus better economy, great comfort, 4 stoke reliability (thats kind of a laugh looking back on my sled), and the performance of a muscle sled. I had it all! Well it looks like I will be back to looking at 2-up sleds, because Yamaha moved away from the 1 sled does it all design.
Considering there are maybe 4 people on TY with the same riding style (and sled requirements) that I have, I hardly thing Yamaha will lose any sales because of my opinion.
None of this has to do with the original thread though, I started out just answering why I considered a perfect trail sled to be.
Jim
And Tork, yes, I do have my mind set in one direction, but I hope it doesn't affect anyone else...unless they are also looking for long distance cruisers. You know, Corvettes are very cool and have great performance. But if I was going on a road trip across the country with my family, it wouldn't be my first choice. One model won't make everyone happy, so it has to be a tradeoff. The RX used to be the perfect all-around, does everything well sled. Yamaha (and buyers) wanted more performance and less weight, so something had to suffer. Since I'm not in with the mainstream buyers, it just means that I will have a harder time finding the sled I want. When I bought my RX, I was actually seriously considering a 2-up touring sled. But the RX had everything I wanted in a touring sled, plus better economy, great comfort, 4 stoke reliability (thats kind of a laugh looking back on my sled), and the performance of a muscle sled. I had it all! Well it looks like I will be back to looking at 2-up sleds, because Yamaha moved away from the 1 sled does it all design.
Considering there are maybe 4 people on TY with the same riding style (and sled requirements) that I have, I hardly thing Yamaha will lose any sales because of my opinion.
None of this has to do with the original thread though, I started out just answering why I considered a perfect trail sled to be.
Jim
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I'm being told that the 06s are not as high as the Revs in the seat!!!
So I don't think they will be as bad as it sounds!
I think they raised the seat on the 05s so, it seemed less when the 06s came out!
A little then & a little more now!
Even the Rev is going down in seat by 1.5 inches for 06!!!
Has anyone put a tape measure on the seat of a Rev & compared the Yamaha's to see how high they are too?
BR
So I don't think they will be as bad as it sounds!
I think they raised the seat on the 05s so, it seemed less when the 06s came out!
A little then & a little more now!
Even the Rev is going down in seat by 1.5 inches for 06!!!
Has anyone put a tape measure on the seat of a Rev & compared the Yamaha's to see how high they are too?
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nhrxrider said:
These do not sit as high as a REV and by no means ever feel tippy. Tork and I have ridden them. Let us know your thoughts after you ride them...BBY
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I think he is getting at the fact that if you take the same 06 and and put the seat back down and move the handlebars back and down - it would be less tippy. And before I get flamed - I am not saying the 06's are tippy (all sleds are tippy if you run em hard enough into the corner), they would just be less tippy.
Don't Worry Jim.....
There are a lot of people that believe the RX was the perfect sled, even more so with the 06 updates. As I stated before, and as I was trashed for it, not everybody needs or wants the big bump sled. So the question is why would the whole line go to the Apex?? I am seeing more and more people with the same concerns regarding CG and ride height, remember, it is still 550 lbs going into that whooped up corner. I read one report where everybody was laughing at all of the washouts one guy was experiencing. Washouts in corners with oncoming traffic may not bode well for the masses. Feeling like you can go into a corner faster because you can attack the bumps has really very little to do with control. The RX would have the same suspension, why mess with the CG. I have spoken with many RX and Warrior riders and only a few hard core blues are upgrading. I am not trashing the technology, just the fact that they changed everything to this rev wanna be style.
There are a lot of people that believe the RX was the perfect sled, even more so with the 06 updates. As I stated before, and as I was trashed for it, not everybody needs or wants the big bump sled. So the question is why would the whole line go to the Apex?? I am seeing more and more people with the same concerns regarding CG and ride height, remember, it is still 550 lbs going into that whooped up corner. I read one report where everybody was laughing at all of the washouts one guy was experiencing. Washouts in corners with oncoming traffic may not bode well for the masses. Feeling like you can go into a corner faster because you can attack the bumps has really very little to do with control. The RX would have the same suspension, why mess with the CG. I have spoken with many RX and Warrior riders and only a few hard core blues are upgrading. I am not trashing the technology, just the fact that they changed everything to this rev wanna be style.
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Shoot I used a quart in 500 miles. So I have no idea what's up with mine!! :shock:SoCoRX1 said:
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I love my zrt skid with the adjustable front skid shock,I can adjust the ride on the fly for rough trails or more traction on the flat,I did not change the stock 03 seat,I like to sit lower and i can because of the great ride with the cat skid.
I love my zrt skid with the adjustable front skid shock,I can adjust the ride on the fly for rough trails or more traction on the flat,I did not change the stock 03 seat,I like to sit lower and i can because of the great ride with the cat skid.
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Happ, its because that is the cool thing now. Im sure Yamaha has done a lot of market research and found that there is a market for the Apex.
I personally dont think the Apex, Attak and Nytro are as rider-foreward as the REV. To me, they seem to much more like the Fusion and Firecat. I would call those 2 sleds more "rider middle". It allows you to ride towards the rear of the seat if you wanna just cruise and then if you want to you can scoot up towards the front of the seat and not be constantly banging your knees on the console. On a traditional sled (lets call it "rider-rearward") its a lot harder to transition from sitting to standing than it is on a sled like the REV.
I think that the Apex is somewhat of a middle ground between the REV and the RX-1.
Dont be so quick to say the Apex isnt better than the RX-1 was, lets wait untill its been out a year or 2. The RX-1 wasnt perfect in its first or even second year, lets give the Apex the same courtesy before we dismiss it as a failure.
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I personally dont think the Apex, Attak and Nytro are as rider-foreward as the REV. To me, they seem to much more like the Fusion and Firecat. I would call those 2 sleds more "rider middle". It allows you to ride towards the rear of the seat if you wanna just cruise and then if you want to you can scoot up towards the front of the seat and not be constantly banging your knees on the console. On a traditional sled (lets call it "rider-rearward") its a lot harder to transition from sitting to standing than it is on a sled like the REV.
I think that the Apex is somewhat of a middle ground between the REV and the RX-1.
Dont be so quick to say the Apex isnt better than the RX-1 was, lets wait untill its been out a year or 2. The RX-1 wasnt perfect in its first or even second year, lets give the Apex the same courtesy before we dismiss it as a failure.
Hebi
nhrxrider
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Explain this to me...without a rise at the rear of the seat, whats going to hold the rider from sliding back under hard acceleration, other than holding tight with his arms? I see that seat as the biggest drawback of the new sleds. I stopped buying dirt bikes when even the 4 strokes started going with the very narrow seats the MX bikes had been using for several years. I'm 33, larger than average, and am wider in the rear than the typical dirt bike (or sled) rider. The new seats are very uncomfortable to me. I see the new sleds going the way of the dirt bikes. Instead of being able to climb on for a long, full day's ride, they are made for a couple hour's hard pounding.
Jim
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I think that Yamaha is marketing the Apex, Attak and Nytro at the aggressive riders. Thats why they have the high handlebars. Those sleds are meant for people who sit foreward on the seat with their legs under them and who spend just as much time (if not more) standing up as they do sitting.
If you want all day, high-milage comfort, get an RS Vector or an RS Venture.
Hebi
If you want all day, high-milage comfort, get an RS Vector or an RS Venture.
Hebi
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Seems like I did 600 miles of hard pounding last week. Would have been quite happy to be on an Attak.
OTOH, my buddy on the SRX was real happy to be on my Warrior, trail that had the SRX bouncing him out of the saddle at 75 mph, the Warrior could take at top speed...
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BTW the 07's will be PERFECT
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nhrxrider said:
I own an RX-1 Mnt. It has the long track, and I will be danged if I find any trouble with the skid. It is nice riding and may not turn on a dime, but it goes over the bumps if I get on the trail. I didn't buy it for trail riding, but as far as I am concerned it does an outstanding job, and I would not trade the long track back to a rough riding shorty, just so I could do a joe rocket.
I also own two articat 4 stroke machines that are two up units. They have 136 inch tracks and the suspensions are equally good. I love these sleds for the torque and quietness and ease of use that the yamaha does not have. I like the removeable seat so I can carry gear, something yamaha assumes anybody riding their go fast machine doesn't need to carry, and tho my butt isn't as big as yours
, I find the seating on the cats to be the best in the industry...bar none. Move the back rest forward and you have a harley ride. Gas mileage is twice the yamaha's to a point that it is NEVER a concern when you go out for a long ride, cause you always seem to have half a tank left no matter when you shut it down. 300+ miles to a tank of regular gas.Now with the new cats havin turbo to pickup the joe rocket crowd, I guess there isn't much more you should need to do the two up riding you look for. I am fortunate enough to own a ditchbanger, and a powder machine, and a couple of two ups that you can hear the skiis cutting the snow with. Special purpose sleds that work better than one sled that trys to do it all.
Go check out a cat. I think THAT is really what your looking for.
nhrxrider
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I like the Cats, but they lack the performance I want. The original RX had everything I wanted except for the ride...and that was easily changed. My next sled may have to be a Cat...or the 2-up Vector.
To compare sleds to bikes...The original Rx was like my ST1100. It would keep up with many semi-sport bikes, but was comfortable for the long haul. The Cats are more like a Gold Wing. You get the quiet, electric-motor like ride and engine, but lose out on the performance. I think the new Yamaha sleds are getting closer (although not quite there) to the sportbikes.
I'm greedy and want it all...performance, ride, handling, and comfort. The original RX gave up a slight amount of handling and ride, both of which I got back with the Cat skid. Next time I might have to give up a bit of performance and go with a Cat or Vector in order to keep the comfort.
I just think that along with adding a couple new models, instead of just having several models with the only differences being shocks (thats all I can see between the Apex RTX, Apex GT, and Apex ER- shocks and windshields), they could have added 2 new sleds (or realistically, 1 new one with shock options), and updated the RX-1.
In an ideal world, Yamaha would get with the program and offer a 2-up version of the RX. It seems silly to offer the smaller engien on a sled that has to haul 2 people. Doo and Cat both offer high power 2-up sleds...Yamaha should join them. If they had an RX-warrior based 2-up, I'd be all over that...at least I would have been, until I got blown off by Yamaha again today.
Jim
To compare sleds to bikes...The original Rx was like my ST1100. It would keep up with many semi-sport bikes, but was comfortable for the long haul. The Cats are more like a Gold Wing. You get the quiet, electric-motor like ride and engine, but lose out on the performance. I think the new Yamaha sleds are getting closer (although not quite there) to the sportbikes.
I'm greedy and want it all...performance, ride, handling, and comfort. The original RX gave up a slight amount of handling and ride, both of which I got back with the Cat skid. Next time I might have to give up a bit of performance and go with a Cat or Vector in order to keep the comfort.
I just think that along with adding a couple new models, instead of just having several models with the only differences being shocks (thats all I can see between the Apex RTX, Apex GT, and Apex ER- shocks and windshields), they could have added 2 new sleds (or realistically, 1 new one with shock options), and updated the RX-1.
In an ideal world, Yamaha would get with the program and offer a 2-up version of the RX. It seems silly to offer the smaller engien on a sled that has to haul 2 people. Doo and Cat both offer high power 2-up sleds...Yamaha should join them. If they had an RX-warrior based 2-up, I'd be all over that...at least I would have been, until I got blown off by Yamaha again today.
Jim
