What can be expected?

[arteeex]

What can you expect? If I spent about $2000 for 10-12 additional horsepower I would expect my sled to do the dishes and walk the dog.

Horsepower cannot be measured directly. It is a calculated value based on the work (in this case, torque) done per unit time. Mathematically, it’s the derivative of the torque curve with respect to time. And since this can vary because of environmental and mechanical conditions - temp, humidity, fuel quality etc. - it would not be unreasonable to see variations in torque, and thus horsepower output. Also note the difference between 147 and 153 HP is about 3%, which is not worth an argument over.

 

[Srxspec]

Trying to clear the air about how numbers get argued by other posters/authors, NOT the vendors. It is our job to determine how to mix these vendors. I have some Ulmer items on my sled now, and some other vendors items in and on my sled.

I said before asking a guy about guy about a power shop is like asking them about their favorite racer, or a football team. It gets very touchy, and sometimes clouds the facts

Sheetwright, I would believe that you are getting feedback from users who have used certain performance shops and their products have not delivered as promised to the consumer in past sales/products. Just my opinion.

 

[sheetwright]

Explanation

Trying to clear the air about how numbers get argued by other posters/authors, NOT the vendors. It is our job to determine how to mix these vendors. I have some Ulmer items on my sled now, and some other vendors items in and on my sled.

I said before asking a guy about guy about a power shop is like asking them about their favorite racer, or a football team. It gets very touchy, and sometimes clouds the facts

Sheetwright, I would believe that you are getting feedback from users who have used certain performance shops and their products have not delivered as promised to the consumer in past sales/products. Just my opinion.

Nope! PM"S on why certain authors slam other shops, and owners. They said they didn't want to post them on the thread and cause a situation. Me, I believe every company/individual has a paticular niche in this world. A race guy for race parts, a suspensions company for their parts, and high performance parts from the big boys. Nobody makes, installs, or sells the best of everything.

Hell, by the time a person is done with their sled They may have Ulmer front end parts, Muffinworks shock parts, a hygear suspension set up, Hauk engine mod's, and if your lucky boost from someone like One Stop.
That is how you make one wicked sled. IMO of course

I don't like to see false stuff posted to make another company or owner look better. A guy on a thread said if you installed a paticular mod from one company it would set your sled on fire. That is just false and BAD press; to make someone else look better. This wasn't even an Ulmer product. To show you I am not picking on you. If something like that was true; you think that company would still be selling the mod? Don't people think there would be lawsuits against them? This is the stuff that has to stop. Other little stuff like K&N's just come down to price and loyalty. A few companies sell similar if not the same kits for sleds. Each with a slightly different twist, to make it look like different engineering. For that stuff, to each his/her own. IMO Just hard to say when mods are similar, that one is just that much better then another. It is preference, and who you are comfortable with sometimes more then the so called outcome. IMO

Hope this clears up some things. No hard feelings

 

[Nytro Fx]

Well to get back on topic, what would you pick first out of my list of parts, i was thinking the clutch kit, but what do you think?

 

[Turk]

In order of dollars spent vs proirity
traction
clutching
exhaust
filters
gearing

 

[PS2003]

I spent several years as Opps Manager of a motorcycle speed shop and this type of thing was an ongoing situation that we could litterly talk for days on but the bottom line is make your decision for performance upgrades based on the companies reputation, the quality of the components and the ability of those components to fit YOUR needs and desires, your personal gut feeling you have when initially dealing with the company, etc. If all those are on the plus side you WILL have good results. There is so much more to performance mods than just final peak HP and TRQ numbers. The dyno operator can deliberately make some number changes in the program and it can enhance or decrease the number outcome. When comparing HP and TRQ numbers you have to compare all of those things to ensure both dyno numbers are having the same perameters, For example what scale are the dynos reading in SAE or STD big difference, What smoothing? these are just a couple of things that can make one dyno to another uncomparable and can create stress for the customer and the companies building and selling performance mods. Question is.... did the upgrades you installed produce within a certain percentage of advertised output? When I ran the speed shop we used +/- 5% for our number as there is allot of variables that are out of the shops control such as individual STOCK HP and TRQ numbers varying greatly. Each vehicle is a little different therefore the outcome of mods done to them will vary as well. When dealing with 130-150 HP numbers is it realistic to get all lathered up over 3,4 HP for a daily driver? I can see if it is a race only deal but not a daily driver. Heck I have seen close to that variable in just fuel.

The other thought is we did NOT gaurentee out put unless our shop did the entire installation, sorry but how can a company know if any of us can install something right or wrong therfore is it reasonable to hold accountability for something the company didn't install? Not in my opinion.

my 2 cents.

 

[Nytro Fx]

thanks turk

 

[sheetwright]

I spent several years as Opps Manager of a motorcycle speed shop and this type of thing was an ongoing situation that we could litterly talk for days on but the bottom line is make your decision for performance upgrades based on the companies reputation, the quality of the components and the ability of those components to fit YOUR needs and desires, your personal gut feeling you have when initially dealing with the company, etc. If all those are on the plus side you WILL have good results. There is so much more to performance mods than just final peak HP and TRQ numbers. The dyno operator can deliberately make some number changes in the program and it can enhance or decrease the number outcome. When comparing HP and TRQ numbers you have to compare all of those things to ensure both dyno numbers are having the same perameters, For example what scale are the dynos reading in SAE or STD big difference, What smoothing? these are just a couple of things that can make one dyno to another uncomparable and can create stress for the customer and the companies building and selling performance mods. Question is.... did the upgrades you installed produce within a certain percentage of advertised output? When I ran the speed shop we used +/- 5% for our number as there is allot of variables that are out of the shops control such as individual STOCK HP and TRQ numbers varying greatly. Each vehicle is a little different therefore the outcome of mods done to them will vary as well. When dealing with 130-150 HP numbers is it realistic to get all lathered up over 3,4 HP for a daily driver? I can see if it is a race only deal but not a daily driver. Heck I have seen close to that variable in just fuel.

The other thought is we did NOT gaurentee out put unless our shop did the entire installation, sorry but how can a company know if any of us can install something right or wrong therfore is it reasonable to hold accountability for something the company didn't install? Not in my opinion.

my 2 cents.

I agree