What do you think about drive by wire throttle for sleds?

[Big Daddy SRX]

I think Ski-Doo offers it on some models. I think it could be used and reduce the effort on the thumb which would be a good thing. Less fatigue means you can push the gas longer!! Good for people with thumb problems. My thumb gets real sore from arthritis on long trips. Anyone know of a good solution?

 

[raginyamaha]

maybee install a lh throttle so you can split time from left to right???? NCI has a aty style throttle that is supposed to help. Ive seen a few motorcycle twist throttles out there, its been a few years scince ive seen that tho..

 

[HighSpeedLowDrag]

Vehicles with electronic throttles tend to have delayed imprecise throttle response, not to mention increased complexity. Twist throttles work well on snowmobiles.

 

[Sasquatch]

Vehicles with electronic throttles tend to have delayed imprecise throttle response, not to mention increased complexity. Twist throttles work well on snowmobiles.

My only concern with a twist throttle is how do you heat em!

 

[apexmcneil]

they do make whats known as the "gold finger".. its a LH throttle lever that mounts below the brake lever, and is used more so on mountain sleds for side hill riding.

I wouldnt mind getting one to put on the back side of the throttle side so i can use my index fingers to throttle versus using the thumb.. anyone else try this? .

http://www.fullthrottleinc.com/

^^^ link to the gold finger

 

[thor452]

someone also makes a gadget on hrer called i think a thumb drive i think anyways it changes the position of things allot of people like them.

 

[Redbeard]

someone also makes a gadget on hrer called i think a thumb drive i think anyways it changes the position of things allot of people like them.

Here you go :

http://sledtoyz.com/component/virtuemar ... egory_id=8

 

[biffdotorg]

Vehicles with electronic throttles tend to have delayed imprecise throttle response, not to mention increased complexity. Twist throttles work well on snowmobiles.

My only concern with a twist throttle is how do you heat em!

I have heated twist throttle on my Buell. But I wouldn't want it on my Apex. Thumb drive would be my suggestion.

 

[couch]

Delay? So speed of an electrical impulse is slower than float / vacuum set up in a carb - I think not.
Any delay in electronic throttle is a "software issue" which proper programming can resolve or compensate for. Think of the various shift modes on many new transmissions - sport / normal / econo in which programming adjusts shifts to give desired results.
Have electronic controlled injection pumps on our diesel engines - no more lag than in the mechanical controlled pumps.

 

[darv]

But a brace it is I allied thumb thing it is made out of neoprene they are like 30.00 I use one all the time I have art too,

 

[SRXSRULE2]

I'll add some info here for people to debate about
1) Just because its "fly by wire" doesn't mean the throttle lever will be any more/ less stiff. There still has to be a return spring here with some pressure to give you throttle "feel". I'm sure the spring is calibrated to feel like a normal cable setup does.

2) The reasoning behind the fly by wire for the 900 ace was not done just to eliminate the throttle cable. The sled has the mode switch (normal, economy and sport) what ever they called them. They needed to use the fly by wire so they can change the rate and desired opening of the throttle plate independantly from the throttle lever. I'm not sure exactly all that they change in the calibrations but in the economy mode I'm willing to bet that it would make the throttle plate act "lazy", slowing down the opening and closing of the plate. This will make the throttle curve smoother and will savve fuel. In sport mode I'm sure it will react just like it would if there was a cable in its place.
3) I've told many people this. The "delayed throttle" the 4tecs have has nothing to do with the calibration, its the intake design. They use a long intake runner (distance between throttle plate and intake port/valve). The long runner creates torque but slows acceleration because it slows down the air. The yamaha's all have individual throttle boddies mounted right at the intake ports. Short runner, air moves faster, less delay.

 

[AKrider]

I believe they went to drive by wire on automobiles for emission reasons. If you drive a newer, manual trans vehicle the drive by wire lacks a certain feel you had before with a carb or a throttle cable. It drove me crazy on my F-250 so I got a tuner to get rid of the "numb" gas pedal feel. It is much better now but still not perfect. I don't care to see this system on a toy. They should have just used the same key system they've got on their side by sides. I understand that they've got a couple different keys that will allow the power to be set at different levels.

 

[Redbeard]

I believe the R1 street bike has been fly by wire for 3-4 yrs now.

I believe they went to drive by wire on automobiles for emission reasons. If you drive a new, manual trans vehicle the drive by wire lacks a certian feel you had before with a carb or a throttle cable. It drove me crazy on my F-250 so I got a tuner to get rid of the "numb" throttle feel.

X2. Had to put a tuner on my '12 F250 also.

 

[SRXSRULE2]

I believe the R1 street bike has been fly by wire for 3-4 yrs now.

I believe they went to drive by wire on automobiles for emission reasons. If you drive a new, manual trans vehicle the drive by wire lacks a certian feel you had before with a carb or a throttle cable. It drove me crazy on my F-250 so I got a tuner to get rid of the "numb" throttle feel.

X2. Had to put a tuner on my '12 F250 also.

Same deal there. I work for the blue oval, next time you're tinkering with your trucks under the hood, have a look at where the throttle plate is and where the intake ports are. They seam close in relation, but if you took the intake manifold runners and extened them out in a straight line, you could see how long they really are. While I agree from factory the throttle action is lazy and tuning does change that. But the long manifold length used for building torque has a huge effect on responce. The older 5.4 actually has an actuator and a "throttle plate" at the intake ports to control airflow. The 6.8 v10 had a similar deal but actually changed the length of the intake runners.

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[Redbeard]

I just know my truck was an absolute turd before I added the tuner. I was sick over it and disappointed at the crummy performance. 7-8 MPG pulling the sleds and no power. With the tuner, I get 10 MPG pulling the sleds and have a little more torque.

I got 15.8 driving to Haydays with no trailer and cruise set at 73 MPH. That's nothing to brag about, but that's the absolute best that truck has ever done.