ballstowalls
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hey guys.
so here is my problem that I have? I have just moved to Calgary AB from the Maritimes. I have always rode either trial or ditch banging. I always wanted to sled in the mountains and now is my chance. I have never rode the mountains before but have in deep powder. I plan on practicing on some foot hills before tackling the bigger stuff. I am going to buy a Nytro with out a doubt but what I am stuck on is if I should buy a mtx with a CE track or do I buy an xtx and put a 2 and a quarter or 2 and a half CE track and does the xtx have the 3.0 pitch drivers from factory or do I have to put them on for the CE track to fit..what would be best??? your guys help would be greatly appreciated.
so here is my problem that I have? I have just moved to Calgary AB from the Maritimes. I have always rode either trial or ditch banging. I always wanted to sled in the mountains and now is my chance. I have never rode the mountains before but have in deep powder. I plan on practicing on some foot hills before tackling the bigger stuff. I am going to buy a Nytro with out a doubt but what I am stuck on is if I should buy a mtx with a CE track or do I buy an xtx and put a 2 and a quarter or 2 and a half CE track and does the xtx have the 3.0 pitch drivers from factory or do I have to put them on for the CE track to fit..what would be best??? your guys help would be greatly appreciated.
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I'd pick the MTX.
I run both sleds. The xtx is a solid all around performer and even better with a taller lug track, but with the '10 and newer MTX you have a few advantages the xtx doesn't have.
Riser: Stock riser is 6 in and doesn't require any cable modifications. If you want a long riser on the xtx, it's a pain beyond 2 inches.
Suspension: The new MTX ProMtnAir suspension is lighter than the xtx and decoupled making it ideal for powder. Its not a Timbersled, but OK.
Track: You are going to change anyway. The MTX with a PC or Challenger is excellent in the powder, and lots of forum discussion on this. The MTX is a 3 inch pitch, and the XTX is a 2.86 (I think) so no compatability. The xtx wont fit a 2.25" without a driver change, although it is "theoretically able to take a 2.00", and you'd probably need to drop a tooth anyway to make it work in the mountians.
Drivers: The MTX is a 7 tooth and the XTX is an 8 tooth. Even in New Brunswick, I prefer the 7 tooth in powder as it gives it a better ridablity, and less bogging.
In my situation, riding in northern NB, the xtx should be the ticket, yet I still went with an MTX because I run off trail 90% of the time and love technical riding. No big mountians, but tons of trees, trails, steeps, and slaloming.
Heading into the rockies......it would be an even easier decision IMO.
OTM
I run both sleds. The xtx is a solid all around performer and even better with a taller lug track, but with the '10 and newer MTX you have a few advantages the xtx doesn't have.
Riser: Stock riser is 6 in and doesn't require any cable modifications. If you want a long riser on the xtx, it's a pain beyond 2 inches.
Suspension: The new MTX ProMtnAir suspension is lighter than the xtx and decoupled making it ideal for powder. Its not a Timbersled, but OK.
Track: You are going to change anyway. The MTX with a PC or Challenger is excellent in the powder, and lots of forum discussion on this. The MTX is a 3 inch pitch, and the XTX is a 2.86 (I think) so no compatability. The xtx wont fit a 2.25" without a driver change, although it is "theoretically able to take a 2.00", and you'd probably need to drop a tooth anyway to make it work in the mountians.
Drivers: The MTX is a 7 tooth and the XTX is an 8 tooth. Even in New Brunswick, I prefer the 7 tooth in powder as it gives it a better ridablity, and less bogging.
In my situation, riding in northern NB, the xtx should be the ticket, yet I still went with an MTX because I run off trail 90% of the time and love technical riding. No big mountians, but tons of trees, trails, steeps, and slaloming.
Heading into the rockies......it would be an even easier decision IMO.
OTM
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In 09 when the XTX came out, it received a more tapered tunnel, clicker shocks and updated front end geometry.
Driver's on an XTX are 9 tooth 2.52" pitch. You can run a 2" track no problem, after the tunnel/heat exchanger protectors are removed. A 2 1/4" might fit but it would be iffy with the stock 9 tooth drivers. For reference I can just slide my fingers in between the track lugs and front heat exchanger, with a 2" track. If you go with 9 tooth extrovert drivers on an XTX, the front of the rail tips will need to be shortened approx 3/8", not a bad job to do while the skid is out.
With 8 tooth 2.52 drivers you can run a 2 1/4" track. The drawback with the smaller driver is the track approch angle will be a little steeper, however the taller track should off-set this.
With an XTX you'll want to change out the skis for wider ones if your going to ride the mountains. They come with a narrow trail ski. You can re-use your ski loops and carbides if you go with the old style Yamaha mountain ski.
The MTX received a whole bunch of updates in 2010, better skid as mentioned above by Off Trail Mike. Also a more tapered tunnel (similar to the XTX but longer of course), and an updated front end.
If your looking at 2010 or newer, the MTX would be my choice since it received similar updates that the XTX received in 09, plus a few more.
If your looking at pre-2010 sleds then I would look for the one that is the best shape for a good price. Then use aftermarket products to upgrade the sled to suit your riding style/type and your budget as a guide of what to do first.
Driver's on an XTX are 9 tooth 2.52" pitch. You can run a 2" track no problem, after the tunnel/heat exchanger protectors are removed. A 2 1/4" might fit but it would be iffy with the stock 9 tooth drivers. For reference I can just slide my fingers in between the track lugs and front heat exchanger, with a 2" track. If you go with 9 tooth extrovert drivers on an XTX, the front of the rail tips will need to be shortened approx 3/8", not a bad job to do while the skid is out.
With 8 tooth 2.52 drivers you can run a 2 1/4" track. The drawback with the smaller driver is the track approch angle will be a little steeper, however the taller track should off-set this.
With an XTX you'll want to change out the skis for wider ones if your going to ride the mountains. They come with a narrow trail ski. You can re-use your ski loops and carbides if you go with the old style Yamaha mountain ski.
The MTX received a whole bunch of updates in 2010, better skid as mentioned above by Off Trail Mike. Also a more tapered tunnel (similar to the XTX but longer of course), and an updated front end.
If your looking at 2010 or newer, the MTX would be my choice since it received similar updates that the XTX received in 09, plus a few more.
If your looking at pre-2010 sleds then I would look for the one that is the best shape for a good price. Then use aftermarket products to upgrade the sled to suit your riding style/type and your budget as a guide of what to do first.
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ballstowalls said:
I don't think you even need to think about it. You are that close to Revelstoke, Golden, Sicamous ect. You need a purpose built mountain sled. The XTX is sold equipped as a trail sled. It will take a ton of money to make it worthy of the slopes in Revy.
I would go MTX for sure
revster said:ballstowalls said:
I don't think you even need to think about it. You are that close to Revelstoke, Golden, Sicamous ect. You need a purpose built mountain sled. The XTX is sold equipped as a trail sled. It will take a ton of money to make it worthy of the slopes in Revy.
I would go MTX for sure
X2, you live in Calgary. Go for the MTX, no question.
BTW Trent at Walt Healy is awesome for your service needs.
ballstowalls
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hey guys..
thanks for all the great info I guess I will be going with an mtx for sure.. thanks for helping with my decision. Now the new question is? what to i do to it. A roll over valve or a ported track etc.. what would you guys do or have done to your sleds that i should do?
thanks for all the great info I guess I will be going with an mtx for sure.. thanks for helping with my decision. Now the new question is? what to i do to it. A roll over valve or a ported track etc.. what would you guys do or have done to your sleds that i should do?
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ballstowalls said:
IMO ride it first then decide where you think it needs improvement. Rider skill, weight, and style are all factors....
FWIW I would not port the track. I think that fad has run it's course. I see very few boosted sleds with holes in the track for some reason
tmk50 said:ballstowalls said:
IMO ride it first then decide where you think it needs improvement. Rider skill, weight, and style are all factors....
FWIW I would not port the track. I think that fad has run it's course. I see very few boosted sleds with holes in the track for some reason
Yes ski-doo had ported track now went away with it.Back to back testing the non ported tracks climbed higher.
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ballstowalls said:
You definately want the roll over valve. Check out www.oftracing.com for a good deal on the valve with the pro armor tether.
Very good product
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I think the ROV valve would be the first thing I would buy. It works well and it's handy when you get stuck to pull that cord and roll it out. Contact OFT for the plug-n-play version with the pro armour tether!
http://oftracing.com/Store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=215
I would also consider a Roest racing plate for the bottom. Offers great protection for the bottom of sled including the oil filter and comes off easy for oil changes.
After that there is an endless list of trick after market parts available thru guys on this site. Once you get started it hard to stop LOL.
http://oftracing.com/Store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=215
I would also consider a Roest racing plate for the bottom. Offers great protection for the bottom of sled including the oil filter and comes off easy for oil changes.
After that there is an endless list of trick after market parts available thru guys on this site. Once you get started it hard to stop LOL.
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