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Whats it take to beat a 1200?

Nothing. It's one stock. Just saying it's easy to beat him but I gotta give props to Skidoo for a great motor. I think the motor is very nice.....although the sled has very heavy steering and wants to go straight in the corners. This may be due to the fact that he never set anything up though.
 

blade072 said:
I was able to constantly beat my buddies 1200 when he had the short track. That was his excuse. He then added a longer track and I could still beat him. Out of the hole to top end.
My 2011 Apex is totally stock except for fine tuning on the clutches by myself.
The 2011 Apex is somewhat faster than the older Apex.
The 1200 is a very nice sled and quite quick.
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I have a 2016 1200 Renegade 137" & thought the general consensus was that APEX runs big top end numbers and there's no way a 1200 was as quick.
Their downside is weight, but talk about a great engine!

In 2016 when Ski-Doo changed to throttle-by-wire and the new Bosch ECU they raised the rev limiter to nearly 9000 RPM so you can get them quick with just a PB80 clutch.
Big HP number still come with exhaust and a re-flash. I didn't really like mine until I switched to Split-Rails, what a big difference that made.
 
blade072 said:
I was able to constantly beat my buddies 1200 when he had the short track. That was his excuse. He then added a longer track and I could still beat him. Out of the hole to top end.
My 2011 Apex is totally stock except for fine tuning on the clutches by myself.
The 2011 Apex is somewhat faster than the older Apex.
The 1200 is a very nice sled and quite quick.
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Funny I have a 2007 Attak GT clutched up well and it's faster than the newer Apex's I've ran.
 
My 136" stretched 06 Apex beats the buddies pretty easily. I also was running my buddy with a 2015 XRS 800 Etec Renegade and although I never got a chance to run him from a stand still every time we ran from maybe 50 mph up to top he would jump me maybe a sled length right away and then I would catch and run past him pretty easily. When he was on my sled and I was on his and we raced we were side by side and then my sled with him on it walked away pretty easily. He weighs less than me. Maybe that's why. Does this sound correct for the 800 Etec? I kinda figured he would be faster than me. He is a little disappointed that it doesn't have more power.
 
rangermike14 said:
My 136" stretched 06 Apex beats the buddies pretty easily. I also was running my buddy with a 2015 XRS 800 Etec Renegade and although I never got a chance to run him from a stand still every time we ran from maybe 50 mph up to top he would jump me maybe a sled length right away and then I would catch and run past him pretty easily. When he was on my sled and I was on his and we raced we were side by side and then my sled with him on it walked away pretty easily. He weighs less than me. Maybe that's why. Does this sound correct for the 800 Etec? I kinda figured he would be faster than me. He is a little disappointed that it doesn't have more power.
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Mine seems to handle all the 800's with ease.
 
journeyman said:
Yes if the 1200 is bone stock, if you do the PB80 clutch and header mod the 1200 is then much stronger.
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Yeah, but like I said the 2016+ with the new Bosch ECU they raised the rev limiter to nearly 9000 RPM so you can get them quick with JUST a PB80 clutch.
When you can spin them in the upper 8000's they go quite a bit better. I probably picked up 4-5 MPH top end with just the clutch install!

Next year I'll be in the 150HP range with 2016 so if anyone is close by and wants to put this to the test on a local lake let me know :)

The new (to us) Nytro will get some love by then too, but just exhaust because I'm not doing a re-flash unless my kid wants to pay for it since I bought it for him to ride.
Now I need to ask the guys in Canada if I can get a clutch for the thing too. Turns out we don't even have the new style PB80 on the shelf for them :(
 
Not sure what ur smokin? But Apex is 162 hp and Doo is around 139. No matter what clutches u put on Doo Apex would win. Last time I checked clutches don't make up 23 hp on top end?? My $ would be on Yamaha!


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Weight is always a factor. Ever see a camel jockey over 6 ft tall weighing more than 200#? Same sled with different size guys will produce different results.
 
OK truth of the subject is this a proper set up 1200 will beat a stock apex period when you get apex set up properly the 1200 will surprise you but on middle up ypou will pull the doo.my friend has one with pb80 cudney clutch kit header and reflash we have spent a lot of time with his doo and my apex so iknow this for a fact now if you run a stock 1200 there will be no contest
 
Let's not forget if we are talking the 2006-2010 Apex models the 136 (Attak or LTX version) performs much better than the short track one. The combination of more track and the gearing makes for a better setup. When I bought mine it was bone stock and my buddy had a 2008 LTX Anniversary model with a Cobra 136 track and a ProLine clutch setup. We raced ours on a very long straight stretch and it was an absolute no contest. His would run away from mine so bad it was like he had 30 more HP. At that point I was going to buy a Cobra track but the guys at Port Yamaha steered me to the Ripsaw II. I was skeptic but I have no regrets, it hooks up just as well and has better top end than the Cobra. I also bought the same ProLine clutch setup and low and behold I was dead even with the 2008 and actually stronger on top which is likely the track.

I am pointing this out just to say there is a lot left on the table with an Apex if you get the proper traction and clutching.
 
I aggree a long track!k in loose conditions will get away from a short track that being said you have more rotating mass in a long track traction being equal a short track will get better top end numbers and set up properly will pull as hard as any long track under same traction.and pull away from 80 mph and up mine shows 116 mph on GPS on good going and pulls like a train with my set up
 
tedgoesfast said:
I aggree a long track!k in loose conditions will get away from a short track that being said you have more rotating mass in a long track traction being equal a short track will get better top end numbers and set up properly will pull as hard as any long track under same traction.and pull away from 80 mph and up mine shows 116 mph on GPS on good going and pulls like a train with my set up
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That is usually the case with the 2 stroke machines but doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with this machine, at least the 121 vs the 136. It must be the wider torque band that tends to nullify that issue of scrubbing top end. Most of the dealers I know said they have experienced the same. I have had mine up to 116 also but was running out of real estate, though it was still climbing. I can't speak for the newer Apex's being they were changed to 128's or 144's. My 136 seems to pull my buddies 2011 144 which is clutched like mine.

To add to this a friend of mine had a 2006 Apex GT short track. He ended up converting it to a 136, skid, track and gearing. At the time he also owned an identical 2007 Attak GT like mine. The '07 Attak always outran the '06 Apex, after he did the conversion the 2006 was a bit faster.

Another key is these 4 cylinders seem to get stronger with more miles as long as you keep up with the maintenance. I have over 15,000 miles on mine, my friends 2011 144 only has 1900 on it.

I am not saying this is set in stone, the rotating mass makes sense. I know the 121's are geared higher. I just think in general the 136 version feels more planted and just hooks up better. I pretty much ride with all Apex's so I have had several to compare to. We always toss the standard Ripsaw tracks too. Every time I ride a short track 121 I notice a big difference. They seem to feel more squirrely, they spin and dart more and the rear skid feels more jarring and choppy. I really prefer this machine in a longer track.
 
A lot of people don't understand that gearing down a lot of times you get better top end numbers when clutched right a 136 apex geared 23/39 still will go 110 mph easily the prop is at best you only get ,7% of overdrive.iam going to put a pb80 on mine and my team tied secondary will give me at least 15% overdrive so I can gear prob 22/38 and still sustain good legs. The prob when geared down you can spin your gears away when racing in snow easily I've ran against many longtracks and pulled jusyt as hard but out a ways I start to roll away but I have a45/128 front spring stock weights 3 grams added to heal 2 grams in middle of first 2 riviots ant 2 grams on toe a team tied secondary with 75/57 rear helix comes out at 10500 and over 100 its turning ,10800
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