1.6" ice cobra or stud ripsaw2

[swampcat]

Proper modulation of the application of the fun flipper will be required.

This is the hardest fact for people to understand. Knowing WHEN to lay down the POWER is a acquired skill few people have learned. Traction is paramount.

 

[Big_Phil]

I wouldnt run a single ply track with that much horsepower. Youre 1, 120mph trip across the lake from blowing your track out.

I run 11 psi on the trail on my Nytro, prob about 225 hp. So pretty much the same power level as a sidewinder will be with a free flow exhaust or a low level tune. Unless youve rode a sled at this power level before, the acceleration is insane. You need real studs if you want to hook. You cant really compare what works with a stock Viper and assume it will work with the sidewinder.

Ive raced my brothers stock viper with my Nytro, I wish i had it on video for shits an giggles. Its like were not even racing, the turbo just pulls sooooo much harder. If you ride mostly off trail, maybe that 1.6 cobra will work. On anything hard pack, the lugs will fold over, youll get crap traction and youll prob lose most of those little studs in a couple thousand kms, if the track lasts that long.

 

[fast n furious]

I wouldnt run a single ply track with that much horsepower. Youre 1, 120mph trip across the lake from blowing your track out.

I run 11 psi on the trail on my Nytro, prob about 225 hp. So pretty much the same power level as a sidewinder will be with a free flow exhaust or a low level tune. Unless youve rode a sled at this power level before, the acceleration is insane. You need real studs if you want to hook. You cant really compare what works with a stock Viper and assume it will work with the sidewinder.

Ive raced my brothers stock viper with my Nytro, I wish i had it on video for shits an giggles. Its like were not even racing, the turbo just pulls sooooo much harder. If you ride mostly off trail, maybe that 1.6 cobra will work. On anything hard pack, the lugs will fold over, youll get crap traction and youll prob lose most of those little studs in a couple thousand kms, if the track lasts that long.

I have run the pre stud on a 290 apex for several years and never had a problem. Not the same traction yes but no fear of throwing a stud in cooler which I have done before. I love the pre studs.

 

[Big_Phil]

I have run the pre stud on a 290 apex for several years and never had a problem. Not the same traction yes but no fear of throwing a stud in cooler which I have done before. I love the pre studs.

You are a brave man running a single ply track with that. Those 290 apex are no joke. My buddies that used to run mcx apexs around here all used to run hacksaw tracks with real studs. They would all change the tracks every season as well, just so they wouldnt blow apart at high speeds. All depends on how you wanna ride the sled i guess.

 

[**sj**]

You are a brave man running a single ply track with that. Those 290 apex are no joke. My buddies that used to run mcx apexs around here all used to run hacksaw tracks with real studs. They would all change the tracks every season as well, just so they wouldnt blow apart at high speeds. All depends on how you wanna ride the sled i guess.

I know a guy with a hellcat that never even slightly lays a foot into it...I guarantee a 290 apex would never let a single ply live it was most ....you arent lining them up on the trail / road straights or a lake run with a single ply with pre molded studs against anything else of substance with real traction...

if you are mostly a cruiser and not looking to hookup hard...or not top speed runs....Im sure you could live with it...but who needs big power then...just sayin'

 

[kylechargerrt]

I think the single plys and prestuds catch a bit of a bad rap. The first versions that come out were subpar. (Spitting studs not holding up). Camso fixed those issues in the revisions/updates to he product line. I for one will be running a pre stud and have no doubt it'll hold up. Though I am not the lake racer type of rider. When speaking with Camso they told me not to worry about running a single ply, unless I was planning on cranking it up into big hp territory. Judging by the way my Ice Attak XT have held together on past sleds, has sold me on another one.

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[fast n furious]

I know a guy with a hellcat that never even slightly lays a foot into it...I guarantee a 290 apex would never let a single ply live it was most ....you arent lining them up on the trail / road straights or a lake run with a single ply with pre molded studs against anything else of substance with real traction...

if you are mostly a cruiser and not looking to hookup hard...or not top speed runs....Im sure you could live with it...but who needs big power then...just sayin'

If your implying I don't run hard you are mistaken. We are aggressive trail riders that do high speed. Not drag racing on ice. I run as hard as anybody. And maybe I've been lucky but as I said never had an issue with a pre stud. Just saying

 

[**sj**]

Of course my statements are generalizations...I wouldnt know who rides which way...

and in general...Im under the impression that our brothers to the north (canadians) seem to high speed run...bullet train cruising if you will....which is different than some of our corner to corner running..not to mention lake racing with lots of dead digs....

We took a single ply off my buds renegade 800 etec and went rip2 and gained quite a bit of performance...then I did my mxzx800 etec the same and was amazed at the improvement..the rip2 is a tough and durable track...

the rip 1 , hacksaw and cobra are all soft rubber ...and IMHO less durable...almost seemingly less rubber content?


personally , I think the scavanging effect of the cobra will scrub some serious top end ....I know the draw...no worries of a heat exchanger issue...we've yet to have that issue on dozens and dozens of heavily studded machines....done right on a tough track like the ripsaw 2....its an extremely low risk IMHO and will outperform the cobra everywhere other than breaking trail I feel....then again theres a rip2 1.5" which might do both better ?



about the only thing I can see a single ply doing better is because it stretches so easily it makes the ride plusher (suspension has less resistance against it as the track stretches easier)

of course to each his own...report back how you like it!

 

[fast n furious]

Of course my statements are generalizations...I wouldnt know who rides which way...

and in general...Im under the impression that our brothers to the north (canadians) seem to high speed run...bullet train cruising if you will....which is different than some of our corner to corner running..not to mention lake racing with lots of dead digs....

We took a single ply off my buds renegade 800 etec and went rip2 and gained quite a bit of performance...then I did my mxzx800 etec the same and was amazed at the improvement..the rip2 is a tough and durable track...

the rip 1 , hacksaw and cobra are all soft rubber ...and IMHO less durable...almost seemingly less rubber content?


personally , I think the scavanging effect of the cobra will scrub some serious top end ....I know the draw...no worries of a heat exchanger issue...we've yet to have that issue on dozens and dozens of heavily studded machines....done right on a tough track like the ripsaw 2....its an extremely low risk IMHO and will outperform the cobra everywhere other than breaking trail I feel....then again theres a rip2 1.5" which might do both better ?



about the only thing I can see a single ply doing better is because it stretches so easily it makes the ride plusher (suspension has less resistance against it as the track stretches easier)

of course to each his own...report back how you like it!

I'm not disagreeing with what your saying. Just stating I have had good luck with pre studs even with hi Hp. It's all good till it goes bad lol. Ironically I will be running the ripsaw2 that comes with my new sled anyways. No need to change a perfectly good track. Got rid of the apex and looking forward to trying the sidewinder. Cheers

 

[**sj**]

the chassis dynamics on the SW compared to the old ape will blow you away...about the only issue in the ride and handling dept .I foresee is the ski's

 

[fast n furious]

the chassis dynamics on the SW compared to the old ape will blow you away...about the only issue in the ride and handling dept .I foresee is the ski's

I also have a viper and liked it just didn't want to turbo it so the sidewinder just made sense.

 

[Yamadog]

Well if you have not had a modern single ply you do not know what is the norm now! I have the 1.6" camoplast from my 14 XTX on my 15 XTX. It ran 1 year with screw ins turboed at 6 lbs 190 ish hp. No problem and 1400 miles. 1 more year on the 14 at 265 hp with 144 Woody's grand masters and the screw ins for another 2500 miles. Last season I swapped it into the 15 which is 225 and 257 hp switched and did another 1500 miles without a single stud loss. I have lost a few of the screw ins. There is now over 5000 miles on that single ply track and it looks as good as the brand new one I took off the 15.

I drag race on snow and Ice events and my thumb knows 2 settings on and push harder. I had to adjust track tension 1 time wile it was on the 14 and it does not balloon. There is no torn paddles or any sign of wear. This picture was after 3500 miles and the 15 with taller gears does 124 mph all day long. In my opinion it is the best track I have ever run and can take the punishment of high hp sleds on bad trails and ice. I only studded it in the first place cause the back end wanted to pass me when I had simmons skis with 4 - 8" carbides on the front.

 

[stevewithOCD]

I am a recovering STUDOHALIC! This is a very subjective subject. The most important thing is figure out how & where you ride then match the track to that. I can tell you that i have over 10,000 miles on my Ice-Ripper that not only looks good, but i'm very hard on equipment. Last year my friend threw a stud, installed by RACE shop, that almost ruined our trip in Canada. If you race a lot then stud. If you ride mostly groomed trails, race when possible, like extra stopping traction compared to no studs, LOVE longevity, then I recommend a pre-studded track. I used to be a STUDOHALIC! Now i will NEVER run studs again...

 

[Doowithblue]

I would like to see a 2 ply pre studded Ice Attak XT in 1.5" Camso are you listening?

 

[**sj**]

interesting yamadog...maybe they are getting better...so far I love the ripsaw 2 with big studs ala stevewithocd...Im a STUDAHOLIC too....Ive never been let down running them and Im usually out in front when we line them up ...