Mark O
Expert
hondo said:Mark O,
I believe Camoplast makes the quiet track for Arctic Cat.
I don't know if they make it in a 144".
If you find that they do, and you install one or both, please let us know.
We would like to hear your comments.
We all do appreciate all the R&D you've done with your machine, but to me, it seems that all the noises started with Yamaha's highly touted Camoplast ripsaw track. If other manufacturers are using this same track, one would think that they would be having noise problems as well. Does anyone know? Since Camoplast actually does have a track called "silent track" is telling in itself.
I'm going to the dealer on Friday or Saturday to pick up my new RX1 & I'm sure going to pick his brains about what he thinks about solving this track noise.
canadianhunter
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
Apparently the 06 Polaris's have track noise. Check FST on HCS. They also are using the rip-saw track.
corvette327
Veteran
Two months ago I sent an e mail to Ralph at Snowtech magazine for his ask Ralph magazine forum.
Gave him all the info on my 06 track noise and asked if he had fix.
If you would like to e mail him also it may point out others are having the problem.
His e mail
ralph@snowtechmagazine.com
I talked to Yami customer service about the fix involving the added shaft and wheels, they found it in the computer but would not do it on my machine.
The reason: my dealer could not verify the noise on my machine due to no snow in southern Maine.
The dealer told me he was aware of the complaint from other venture owners but was told by the Yami tech line, quote: the only fix is to park the sled and move the key to the off position.
Gave him all the info on my 06 track noise and asked if he had fix.
If you would like to e mail him also it may point out others are having the problem.
His e mail
ralph@snowtechmagazine.com
I talked to Yami customer service about the fix involving the added shaft and wheels, they found it in the computer but would not do it on my machine.
The reason: my dealer could not verify the noise on my machine due to no snow in southern Maine.
The dealer told me he was aware of the complaint from other venture owners but was told by the Yami tech line, quote: the only fix is to park the sled and move the key to the off position.
corvette327
Veteran
Forgot to add Yami tech line also told my dealer they had experimented with oversize wheels and did not feel it was a fix.
Others on this site have had good results with this fix?
Others on this site have had good results with this fix?
Mark O
Expert
corvette327 said:
That's a hell of a thing to say.
MarK O,
The Arctic Cat Quiet / Silent Track has little raised squares that the wheels ride on.
Ever talk to some Cat F-7 owners? They do have similar track noise problems.
Unfortunately, I believe you will find the quiet track is not made in 144".
Others have checked.
Yamaha does not own Camoplast. Camoplast is a track provider.
Another example that induces harmonics:
Ever go to the Indy 500, or hear the wind/howl coming from the cars?
Much of that high pitched howl is from the tire itself, rolling over the pavement at 200 MPH.
Similar effects are encountered with a snowmobile track, just not as fast.
By adding the oversized wheels provides just enough stress relief to quiet the noise.
As for parking my sled, maybe at 25,000 miles.
I don't have to park my sled because what I have in place really works well!
The Arctic Cat Quiet / Silent Track has little raised squares that the wheels ride on.
Ever talk to some Cat F-7 owners? They do have similar track noise problems.
Unfortunately, I believe you will find the quiet track is not made in 144".
Others have checked.
Yamaha does not own Camoplast. Camoplast is a track provider.
Another example that induces harmonics:
Ever go to the Indy 500, or hear the wind/howl coming from the cars?
Much of that high pitched howl is from the tire itself, rolling over the pavement at 200 MPH.
Similar effects are encountered with a snowmobile track, just not as fast.
By adding the oversized wheels provides just enough stress relief to quiet the noise.
As for parking my sled, maybe at 25,000 miles.
I don't have to park my sled because what I have in place really works well!
ljgomes
Newbie
Update on 2005 Venture Track Howl Problem
According to Yamaha, there is no official fix for the track howl problem. In spite of what Charles Smith says in previous posts, my dealer said the addition of wheels in the upper part of the tunnel was not a fix recommended by Yamaha and doing this on your own could void your warranty. Yamaha recommends that I remove the low snow kit from my sled and also remove the SLP anti-wear pads from my track. They claim that both of these items could increase track noise. I plan to do this over the summer and next season my dealer has agreed to ride the Venture and compare the track noise level with my wifes Rage using a decibel meter on the same section of trail. He will then present these DB results to Yamaha for a recommended solution. In the meantime, I attended a Yamaha sled preview and spoke with one of the factory reps. He said he had heard of the track howl problem, but did not know of any changes that were being made in the 2007 Venture suspension. Hopefully with some hard data in the form of DB readings, we can get a factory endorsed solution.
According to Yamaha, there is no official fix for the track howl problem. In spite of what Charles Smith says in previous posts, my dealer said the addition of wheels in the upper part of the tunnel was not a fix recommended by Yamaha and doing this on your own could void your warranty. Yamaha recommends that I remove the low snow kit from my sled and also remove the SLP anti-wear pads from my track. They claim that both of these items could increase track noise. I plan to do this over the summer and next season my dealer has agreed to ride the Venture and compare the track noise level with my wifes Rage using a decibel meter on the same section of trail. He will then present these DB results to Yamaha for a recommended solution. In the meantime, I attended a Yamaha sled preview and spoke with one of the factory reps. He said he had heard of the track howl problem, but did not know of any changes that were being made in the 2007 Venture suspension. Hopefully with some hard data in the form of DB readings, we can get a factory endorsed solution.
maddogjeff
Expert
First of all we all know pure stock has a bad howl. Hondo, who rides 6000 miles a year, found relief with oversized idler wheels and the addition of low snow wheels. I ride 3000 miles a year and found releif with oversized idler wheels and SLP anti wear pads.
I still have my '02 Viper and put a 1.25" Rip Saw on it last year. Guess what - it has the howl. Not as noticable because of the engine noise but it's there. I believe it's the closed track windows against the hifax and anything that moves those track windows away from the hifax will help (oversized wheels, wear pads, fully clipping track).
I still have my '02 Viper and put a 1.25" Rip Saw on it last year. Guess what - it has the howl. Not as noticable because of the engine noise but it's there. I believe it's the closed track windows against the hifax and anything that moves those track windows away from the hifax will help (oversized wheels, wear pads, fully clipping track).
Concur with Maddogjeff,
With all due respect, this isn't rocket science.
It's good to bring conclusive evidence to Yamaha. Without it, they will continue to drag their feet addressing this issue.
I my case it started with Hyfax wear that was unsatisfactory. A reasonable solution between Yamaha and my dealer was found that significantly reduced Hyfax wear, (over 10,000 miles on a set of slides) and also significantly reduced track howl. Yamaha allowed me to put on the marginal snow wheel kit, and my dealer came up with the over sized Kimpex/POO wheels solution to be installed at no cost to me.
The thing that aggravates me most is that everyone has to fend for themselves regarding this issue. Yamaha should acknowledge the problem, step up, and provide one standardized solution in the form of an update for all concerned.
As Maddogjeff stated, there are different methods to provide stress relief to the track that reduces track noise. It works
With all due respect, this isn't rocket science.
It's good to bring conclusive evidence to Yamaha. Without it, they will continue to drag their feet addressing this issue.
I my case it started with Hyfax wear that was unsatisfactory. A reasonable solution between Yamaha and my dealer was found that significantly reduced Hyfax wear, (over 10,000 miles on a set of slides) and also significantly reduced track howl. Yamaha allowed me to put on the marginal snow wheel kit, and my dealer came up with the over sized Kimpex/POO wheels solution to be installed at no cost to me.
The thing that aggravates me most is that everyone has to fend for themselves regarding this issue. Yamaha should acknowledge the problem, step up, and provide one standardized solution in the form of an update for all concerned.
As Maddogjeff stated, there are different methods to provide stress relief to the track that reduces track noise. It works
ljgomes
Newbie
Track Howl Solution
I am happy to know that hondo has a solution to the problem and ultimately I may end up going down that path if Yamaha cannot solve the problem. But my dealer is willing to work with me to get some hard data to Yamaha regarding DB levels and hopefully that will lead to a factory endorsed solution. We are planning to do the test next December as soon as the trails open up. I will post results here when they become available.
I am happy to know that hondo has a solution to the problem and ultimately I may end up going down that path if Yamaha cannot solve the problem. But my dealer is willing to work with me to get some hard data to Yamaha regarding DB levels and hopefully that will lead to a factory endorsed solution. We are planning to do the test next December as soon as the trails open up. I will post results here when they become available.
Glock30
Extreme
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All,
If it is any consolation to those who still have bad track noise:
Hondo, myself and Alain (All 3 05 RS Ventures) all had bad track noise after our first set of sliders wore down. When the sliders were replaced the track noise was significantly reduced. The oversized wheels that all 3 of us put on drastically reduces the slider wear and thus keeps the track noise down for a longer period (several seasons).
I hope that what I have put here does not put words into Hondo's or Alain's mouth.
I am just trying to point out that this seems to be the best and most cost effective fix to this issue for everyone.
Best of luck.
Alain/Hondo please feel free to correct anything that I got wrong.
Glock30
If it is any consolation to those who still have bad track noise:
Hondo, myself and Alain (All 3 05 RS Ventures) all had bad track noise after our first set of sliders wore down. When the sliders were replaced the track noise was significantly reduced. The oversized wheels that all 3 of us put on drastically reduces the slider wear and thus keeps the track noise down for a longer period (several seasons).
I hope that what I have put here does not put words into Hondo's or Alain's mouth.
I am just trying to point out that this seems to be the best and most cost effective fix to this issue for everyone.
Best of luck.
Alain/Hondo please feel free to correct anything that I got wrong.
Glock30
maddogjeff
Expert
Glock30,
You can add me to the group also. Good wheels, Poos, Doos, Hi-Perfs, whether it's the larger bearing, better rubber, or larger size, seem to work.
I feel for the guys who are waiting for Yamaha to come out with a fix. That was my attitude at the end of last year and if it was still my attitude I'd still be waiting. I've been true blue for 10 years but after this experience I 'm a little more skeptical. I wish I bit the bullet right away like Hondo did last year, it would have saved me $300 I spent having the Yamaha '06 wheels put on at the beginning of this year that lasted a total of 400 miles. And then they wouldn't cover them because I'm studded - just unbelievable.
You can add me to the group also. Good wheels, Poos, Doos, Hi-Perfs, whether it's the larger bearing, better rubber, or larger size, seem to work.
I feel for the guys who are waiting for Yamaha to come out with a fix. That was my attitude at the end of last year and if it was still my attitude I'd still be waiting. I've been true blue for 10 years but after this experience I 'm a little more skeptical. I wish I bit the bullet right away like Hondo did last year, it would have saved me $300 I spent having the Yamaha '06 wheels put on at the beginning of this year that lasted a total of 400 miles. And then they wouldn't cover them because I'm studded - just unbelievable.
towing
Expert
I don't installed larger wheels yet, but i will do it for the next season for sure....
Bye
Alain
Bye
Alain
canadianhunter
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
As most track noise starts after we got some mileage on, could it be the wheel bearings? Ours started approx. 800 miles.
Now 1600 miles and season over so I pulled skids on both machines, problem the same on both ???. Of the 11 wheels- 2 in good condition, the removeable 6205's that hold the track up. The middle rear and one of the front 4 are slightly rough. A total of 4 useable after greasing.
The 2 outside back and 2 rear idlers are very bad, almost seized[one is] and the remainder are rough.
I'm wondering as SLIDED wear and these non-removable bearings start getting rough, if it is the noise every one is complaining about?
Change the SLIDES and it gets a bit better because you take some load off these bad bearings[ we did not change slides].
These non-removeable bearing have little or no grease as it would expand or boil out when the hot plastic is moulded around them.
I put 30,000 miles on my last 5 Polaris's and never had a bad bearing , but they were 6205's.
This is unaceptable to have to replace 7 wheels on each machine after just 1600 miles.
Now 1600 miles and season over so I pulled skids on both machines, problem the same on both ???. Of the 11 wheels- 2 in good condition, the removeable 6205's that hold the track up. The middle rear and one of the front 4 are slightly rough. A total of 4 useable after greasing.
The 2 outside back and 2 rear idlers are very bad, almost seized[one is] and the remainder are rough.
I'm wondering as SLIDED wear and these non-removable bearings start getting rough, if it is the noise every one is complaining about?
Change the SLIDES and it gets a bit better because you take some load off these bad bearings[ we did not change slides].
These non-removeable bearing have little or no grease as it would expand or boil out when the hot plastic is moulded around them.
I put 30,000 miles on my last 5 Polaris's and never had a bad bearing , but they were 6205's.
This is unaceptable to have to replace 7 wheels on each machine after just 1600 miles.
Batz
Newbie
can anyone tell me if the track noise is also occurring on the mountain vectors?
