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LB,
How do you get HARD PROOF out of what Dukester said (no disrespect intended dukester). The only thing he has shown is that certain sleds are quicker than other sleds. That will always be the case, with or without the ECP kit. Maybe the ECP equipped sleds were getting beat before the mod. Have they adjusted their clutching to fully handle the increase in power ? Didn't someone mention they could smell their belt slipping after installing the kit ?
The only way to get HARD PROOF that a product works is before and after testing on the same sled under the same conditions, due to all the unforseen differences between sleds. Like clutch alignment, miles, state of tune, etc. etc.
To refresh your memory, the only HARD PROOF testing that I have seen on this forum was performed by none other than BIG BLACK WARRIOR. Kit sure made a difference on his sled !! He was out there with the same sled doing before and after testing with a stop watch, and also MPH at different distances.
How do you dispute his findings, or Freddie's dyno results, or what about BBY's updated clutch kit that really rocks with the ECP kit, not to mention countless others who love his kit ?? Oh, I'm sure you'll have a way.
Even if you only beat another sled by a ski length, isn't it still a win even in your world ?
Why is it that you seem to know it all, even though you haven't tested it yourself, and all the rest of us are Dumb Asses ???? Get a :ORC
LazyBastard said:
How do you get HARD PROOF out of what Dukester said (no disrespect intended dukester). The only thing he has shown is that certain sleds are quicker than other sleds. That will always be the case, with or without the ECP kit. Maybe the ECP equipped sleds were getting beat before the mod. Have they adjusted their clutching to fully handle the increase in power ? Didn't someone mention they could smell their belt slipping after installing the kit ?
The only way to get HARD PROOF that a product works is before and after testing on the same sled under the same conditions, due to all the unforseen differences between sleds. Like clutch alignment, miles, state of tune, etc. etc.
To refresh your memory, the only HARD PROOF testing that I have seen on this forum was performed by none other than BIG BLACK WARRIOR. Kit sure made a difference on his sled !! He was out there with the same sled doing before and after testing with a stop watch, and also MPH at different distances.
How do you dispute his findings, or Freddie's dyno results, or what about BBY's updated clutch kit that really rocks with the ECP kit, not to mention countless others who love his kit ?? Oh, I'm sure you'll have a way.
Even if you only beat another sled by a ski length, isn't it still a win even in your world ?
Why is it that you seem to know it all, even though you haven't tested it yourself, and all the rest of us are Dumb Asses ???? Get a :ORC
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Very well said Roadrunner 
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Hey polarisman, where did you get to test a 2005? I can't wait to get on mine 
My buddy has got an 2003 800 rev that is stock and he is telling me that he will walk all over mine stock. he told me by at least 5 lengths in a 1/4 mile.
My buddy has got an 2003 800 rev that is stock and he is telling me that he will walk all over mine stock. he told me by at least 5 lengths in a 1/4 mile.
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Boy is he in for a surprisethunder lips said:
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I was just hoping to be within 2 lengths of him, or maybe even beat him, that is if he don't blow up :lol:
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So you are all suggesting to clutch with the ECP kit?
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear but all our testing was verified against a base sled that was stock. We also ran radar, but radar doesn't mean much between differant days and condition. A comparison test is much better.
The four sleds were very close stock and when the kit was put on 3 sleds the were all 4 very simular except for the initial surge. By very close I mean they were back and forth who would win and who ever did win was only a sled length or 2 ahead, when they were exposed to simular conditions.
When they were clutched the 3 kitted ones ran very close again. When the clutch was swapped with the stock machine the 2 filter sleds were the same as the stock except for the surge.
Eventually all the sleds, but mine, were running the same clutching, a modified weight simular to the stage two, and they were all very close all season long over varied conditions. We always work as a group keeping our sleds tuned properly.
Yes we check alignment and etc. and we all run the same number of studs. This is real life testing. Two of the 3 kits were left on at trade in and the third is for sale now. He was the second owner. To repear myself, the filters made little or no change except it made them throttle happy. :ORC
The frosting problem makes it unexceptable for touring in extreme cold weather.
The four sleds were very close stock and when the kit was put on 3 sleds the were all 4 very simular except for the initial surge. By very close I mean they were back and forth who would win and who ever did win was only a sled length or 2 ahead, when they were exposed to simular conditions.
When they were clutched the 3 kitted ones ran very close again. When the clutch was swapped with the stock machine the 2 filter sleds were the same as the stock except for the surge.
Eventually all the sleds, but mine, were running the same clutching, a modified weight simular to the stage two, and they were all very close all season long over varied conditions. We always work as a group keeping our sleds tuned properly.
Yes we check alignment and etc. and we all run the same number of studs. This is real life testing. Two of the 3 kits were left on at trade in and the third is for sale now. He was the second owner. To repear myself, the filters made little or no change except it made them throttle happy. :ORC
The frosting problem makes it unexceptable for touring in extreme cold weather.
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I got to test the 05 RX-1 in Riverview, N.B. around 03/23/04. Another
noticeable nice thing about this sled was how it held it front end up when
going over the top of hills and not nose down like my 03. Totally
different feeling sled. Anyone that has an 03 or 04 will certainly notice
the difference. Also had a completely stock 04 RX-1 on the same trip
no comparison in accleration at 30-40mph, the 05 just picks it skis and
pulls away.
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I got to test the 05 RX-1 in Riverview, N.B. around 03/23/04. Another
noticeable nice thing about this sled was how it held it front end up when
going over the top of hills and not nose down like my 03. Totally
different feeling sled. Anyone that has an 03 or 04 will certainly notice
the difference. Also had a completely stock 04 RX-1 on the same trip
no comparison in accleration at 30-40mph, the 05 just picks it skis and
pulls away.
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Thanks Polaris Man, Its sounds like that 05 really rips. I was happy to hear that it is different from the past 2 years. I just hope that they have those fuel pump and starting issues figured out. i think i am going to clutch mine. 
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Dukester,
When you say "all the sleds" how many are we talking, 4 ? You have the 3 with kits, but how many other stock ones are clutched the same? I don't want to question your results because you seem to have done it right. But not clutching to the new power band on the 3 sleds could hamper the improvement.
I know BBY and Buster696 worked hard at getting the the stage II cluching to harness the power of the ECP kit. Maybe they could tell us how much the new clutching gained.
Maybe it all boils down to clutching in order to use the new found low and mid range power ??Dukester said:
When you say "all the sleds" how many are we talking, 4 ? You have the 3 with kits, but how many other stock ones are clutched the same? I don't want to question your results because you seem to have done it right. But not clutching to the new power band on the 3 sleds could hamper the improvement.
I know BBY and Buster696 worked hard at getting the the stage II cluching to harness the power of the ECP kit. Maybe they could tell us how much the new clutching gained.
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Don't bust my balls dukester, but didn't you early last fall also post that Matts stage II kit was a waste of money only to recant that statement several days later :ORC
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Mighty you are right I did say that about the stage two kit that was trail tuned. I recanted it when we tweaked the kit for the warrior. It was set up for an RX1.
We tried lots of stuff all winter long and the results were that stock compared to filters were for all practical purposes the same except the kit made it throttle happy.
Awhile back Scooby ran two sled from WI that had the latest tweaked kit for the filters and they ran side by side. At that time his was clutched at 10,500 and the other sleds were clutched at 10,700. So if you add that to the other data we have you can asume that clutching made the major change not filters because Scooby and the non filter guys in our group ran the same as long as they were clutched the same. :ORC
My sled blew Scooby away big time. We then put both the primary and secondary from my sled on Scoobys sled and he blew the other filter kit people in our group away big time.
We never ran a kit that had a clutch or secondary that was significantly hotter than the other, thus the system was balanced.
Now for the real kicker: We all feel that the stock clutch is more trail friendly over a wider range of conditions than a highly tuned setup. Thats our opinion. :ORC
We tried lots of stuff all winter long and the results were that stock compared to filters were for all practical purposes the same except the kit made it throttle happy.
Awhile back Scooby ran two sled from WI that had the latest tweaked kit for the filters and they ran side by side. At that time his was clutched at 10,500 and the other sleds were clutched at 10,700. So if you add that to the other data we have you can asume that clutching made the major change not filters because Scooby and the non filter guys in our group ran the same as long as they were clutched the same. :ORC
My sled blew Scooby away big time. We then put both the primary and secondary from my sled on Scoobys sled and he blew the other filter kit people in our group away big time.
We never ran a kit that had a clutch or secondary that was significantly hotter than the other, thus the system was balanced.
Now for the real kicker: We all feel that the stock clutch is more trail friendly over a wider range of conditions than a highly tuned setup. Thats our opinion. :ORC
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thunder lips said:
No, I think the consensus was in the first couple of posts from people that said you should break in the engine and then see what, if any, mods you might want to make to improve the sled to your liking.
People on this site have changed skis, added clutch kits, added the ECP kit, turbos, shocks, and near rear skids. While others have left their sleds stock or changed one of the above. Ride it first, then post back what you would like to improve. All of us need to get some serious seat time on the 05 because everyone that took a test ride said the sled felt way better than the 03 or 04. If so, the mods for the 03 & 04 models might not be necessary on the 2005.
