2005 RX-1

[Mighty]

This is all kind of crazy, forget that it only sounds quicker, it is quicker. The kit works plain and simple!

Mighty, read closely, I actually agree that the kit would be quicker. My point about sound is that it ADDS to the experience.

Sorry buddy, I was directing that post to LB, not you.

 

[LazyBastard]

Still not getting through I see.

My point is that the conditions in the real world aren't the same as the dyno. How often in the real world do you run at WOT and 6k rpm? Not going to happen!

And when you say "throttle response" you are implying a TIME variable, when none exists. Thats wonderful if you like to have 90% of your power come on before you hit 1/3 throttle, but I prefer to have 90% power at 90% throttle - the amount of extra time that it takes to squeeze the throttle a little further is not relevant.


And I don't see ONE PLACE where I implied that a bunch of stock machines would run exactly the same as each other. The only HARD PROOF that has been presented has been Duke's, and that was a comparison based on the performance of MULTIPLE machines.

 

[LazyBastard]

And another thing.. Don't bring cars and blowers into this, there is NO COMPARISON!

Cars have fixed ratio transmissions, which means that they'll be running out of their points of peak power both before and after they shift.

ECP kit would be *EXCELLENT* on a BIKE.

 

[Dukester]

I didn't say that the kit has too much throttle responce. I said the throttle responce makes the machince more goosey over repeating big bumps where you have to go slow. The stock RX1 requires a very stable responce to prevent this and the kit makes it worse. That may or may not be a problem for you but I am making you aware of the possibility.

 

[POWERHAULIC]

Duke, you should try riding 200hp in the rough stuff. Sometimes it can be a little dangerous blipping the throttle beacuse of a bump. Ya gotta pay attention!

 

[LazyBastard]

*sensitive* is the word. Thats what the ECP kit does to RX1. I definitely believe that people mistake sensitivity for responsiveness.

 

[jimmie d]

That is one reason why I gave ZR900 to oldest son, far to sensitive and jumpy on throttle to enjoy trail riding unless going all out all the time. You could not ease into anything.

Jim

 

[Dukester]

Our group has 5 warriors and 3 RX1's. We ride serious miles together and we line up almost dailly in various conditions. We know exactly where each sled fits in our group.

Three guys put on kits with stock clutching and the only differance we noted was a slight jump (a parcial sled length) in position starting from a running start.

With the same clutch kit installed they remained as above. The only time we noticed a noticeable differance was when the maintainance RPM was at 10,500 to 10,700 on the kit sled.

Putting the exact same clutch in the stock sled produced simular results.

In summary the filter kit makes the sled throttle happy and that is all. Sorry for the news but that is my opinion. :ORC

 

[POLARISMAN]

My experience with the ECP kit was that when just adding the kit and
not touching the clutching, you encounter secondary clutch slip (burning
belt smell). When it is clutched as Matte recomends (HH's and new
secondary spring to elimate slippage) this thing pulls 800ho's and ZR900's
Also went from 19 mpg (canuck) to 21.2-21.5 mpg cruising 50-70mph
between 130-158 miles per tank. Any questions just ask.
Also drove 05 RX-1 for approx 100 miles. Feels 100 lbs lighter than my
03, from corner to corner, great weight transfer therefore meaning
very noticeable improvement in acceration and handling. Also lined it
up with an 04 800 HO and beat it out of the hole, the HO came back
between 70 -90 mph and than the RX-1 pulled away.
This is my experience.

 

[LazyBastard]

A well clutched stock intake has no trouble with those two sled you mention either, so you're not proving anything.

How can you use gallons and canuk in the same sentence? Canada doesn't recognize ANY kind of gallons. Maybe you're referring to obsolete british gallons?

 

[Scooby]

We all know how much gas everyone puts in so we can tease each other about having a fat A** or your putting on weight.

All three of us know that we use about $1 to $!.50 more gas per fill up than the rest of the guys. In other word 3 of us use about the same amount of fuel which is $1 to $1.50 more than the other guys who also run about the same. This is not for a tank or two but for lots of tank fulls.

This is not an opinion it is fact. We used to all run within $.50 of each other.

 

[NOS-PRO]

LB is right, if your trail riding, I don't see a whole lot of improvement. But for racing, It would pull off the line better, which is where I want to be.

 

[SUPERTUNER]

I will be away racing this weekend so I will not be able to get onto this site and counter everything LB states. It is too time intensive anyways but suffice it to say before I leave that LB has never owned my kit, he knows very little to nothing about proper CV carburetor tuning, he makes all his referances to hypothetical occurrences and has never done any testing let alone dyno and in field testing like I have. He does however talk/type well and due to this he seems to the averge rider like he knows what he is talking about. Perhaps he should tell us all what testing he has done to come to these conclusions??? To those of us that know better...well, we just know better.

I respect the statement about the acceleration not being "linear" (that is the proper way to term it) over bumps on trails, but it is easily remedied by learning the new reaction of the throttle lever. For instance...if the sled started out this way and it reverted back to the way it reacts with the airbox and stock springs on, you would probably think it feels sluggish. Once again, it is all about getting used to the way the sled runs.

The reason someone stated above about the belt slipping is due to the fact that the power is coming on A LOT quicker. This is why the sled jumps ahead of everything else with the air kit installed. Just imagine how much you will get out on them when you stop "driving through the clutch!"

Freddie

 

[LazyBastard]

Need I remind you that getting the power on quicker is not always the right thing to do?

Back to car-on-ice. Pin it and it goes nowhere. Give it gently and it accelerates slowly. Slowly is better than none at all.

On asphalt its different. There is much better hookup, so you can put more power down and have it hold.

Now about testing; 1) dyno is not real world, so its not relevant.
2) one need not test on his own equipment to observe effects. We've got the testimony from Duke's group, and NOS-PRO showing that the effects are SMALL, and that overall, the kit is inconvienent for recreational riders. Yes, you can get used to it, but why would you want to if the effect is so minimal that you can't even prove the correlation?

Now I've got to go out for a little while, should be back in about 5 hours to continue this if anyone wants to keep going here.

 

[thunder lips]

A well cluthed RX-1 will pull a ZR 900 and 800HO? How bad is it stock? Is it a ways behind the other 2 out of the box?