2019 release

[vodoo child]

Pretty sure I told the whole story I'm sure mod for mod apex running boost the apex would be faster that's kinda of a no brainer. Not sure where your going with your post there Irv. I never said it wouldn't, all I'm saying is the viper is a better riding and handling machine and I guess if you have a turbo on it probably faster than apex unless the apex has a turbo than the apex would be faster round and round we go where we stop nobody knows. What does all this have to do with the 2019 machines anyway my bad got a little off track. I just don't understand how you guys think that the apex is a better machine than either the viper or the winder and now the srx but hey to each there own.

No problem bud, It's all good debating about Yamaha sleds. Now if someone comes on here spouting off about there Ski-Donkey! I inform them how glad I am that Ski-Doo builds such a light weight sled. They tow sooo much easier not having all that extra weight!!!! As far as the 19's, there was a post awhile back on some patents that Yamaha submitted. The chassis drawings were very Pro-Cross ish and one in particular had 4 holes in the top front of the tunnel! If Yamaha is able to shoehorn the 4cyl. into this hybrid Pro-Cross chassis my Sidewinder is outa here faster than a fat kid playing dodge ball!!!!!

 

[dgjr636]

More like over 40 years

How about 42-44 years.
First batch of 1976

SRX’s were delivered to dealers in August of 75. Pre-production models shown in 74.

We raced a 340 Srx in the 75/76 season.

 

[Heritage]

Everybody forgets about this one...the original SRX...the 1974 "pancake" Srx 440...it was run in sno pro by ed schubitzke, Lynn Trapp, and I believe Larry Oman?...only a handful were built, and they were built by hand at the factory...most were thought to have been destroyed by Yamaha after the 73 -74 season...if any survived they are believed to be worth in excess of $20,000 dollars...
They were a very trick sled, and extremely light (in fact they had to add weight to them to be race legal)...shubitzke won the high points title in the 440 mod class with this sled...but they didn't do very well at eagle river that year.

 

[Sasquatch]

Yamaha is a business and they have to offer models that sell. Back before Chris Reed left (2016 or so) he stated that the Cat built Yamahas definitely had helped them increase sales. The fact is the old iron wasn’t selling well enough anymore. You can blame it on all the customers that chose the Viper and Sidewinder over the Nytro, Apex and Vector, but those are the style of sleds people want these days. Yamaha boxed themselves into a corner when they went 4 Stroke only. When the Nytro failed in the market they again boxed themselves into another corner with only offering sit down trail cruisers. Corporate cut development funding because of poor sales and the Cat agreement is the only thing that saved the division.

I don’t know maybe when the agreement finally ends someone in Corporate will toss the sled division a bone and they will once again build their own sleds, but if they do the new sleds will be much closer to the ProCross in design then the DBII. New customers didn’t want the DBII and DBII loyalists never traded for new models. DBII loyalists should be happy they built it as long as they did.

So Delta Box riders just wanted a new Apex and still do. The Apex never changed from 2011 to 2018. No reason to trade or upgrade to the same sled Im riding, Its long way off from being worn out! People thinking the 2011 Apex was the same as the previous and all the whining about changing donuts and bushings etc scared any new customers to the Apex that were looking for a trail sled. As a performance touring sled that will run year after year reliably there was nothing better. My 2011 has needed nothing in 12,000 miles, all the issues of the 2006 to 10 models where corected in the 2011. A fact that no one clued into and most still don't.

If Cat would put the Apex engine into a touring Pantera or a 146 Crosstour I would be riding a Cat Chassis right now. I dont want a turbo and the Viper is lacking in power for me. Yamaha holds a patent for a pyramid frame and a jacksahft driven supercharger. Drop an Apex engine into it add the supercharger and I'd be interested. I was becoming interested in the turbo in a 146 crosstour with the auxiliary tank but Cat has after one year dropped that model. Its gone from the lineup! Funny thing is supertracks has a review on it and they liked it!

Ah to hell with it just put out a kit to put the supercharger in my Apex! I can and will it seems still be riding that when I'm 70!

 

[Sasquatch]

I have no problem moving on, everything is all good but trust me my viper has all the power of a apex and then some. I do disagree with you on more people happier on a apex vs viper or sidewinder maybe we should start a poll and then will know. I'm done beating this topic have to death everyone have a good summer peace out (time to get xyz out of storage)

No stock Viper has all the power and then some of My stock Apex trust me on that! They will hang with me to 70mph and then its like they dropped an anchor and fade back into the distance.

The RX and the Apex that followed changed the rules in that you didn't have to trade it in like a disposable lighter every second year. Its why so many jumped onto Yamaha's 4 stroke, tired of things that just don't last. I left Cat for Yamaha based on that fact. I was way tired of having to trade off every couple years! The DB and the Apex engine are one tough combo! To bad we are now back into the disposables and justify it with moving on the new tech!

I love sleds and have rode them for 50 Years starting out on a Polaris! I rode sleds that most have never heard of! I have owned and rode ever brand of sled that is left today as well. My favorite sled from the old Days is a 190 Snow-Jet with a 19hp Hirth engine! So a sled of any brand even a Polaris is rideable and enjoyable. When you drop 20,000 on a sled nowadays you want it to last and you want it to meet your standards of a sled. That changes from person to person and that is as it should be. Enjoy your next sled as the Viper is now 4 years old in an even older dated chassis by your criteria its definatly time to move on to newer tech!

I wish I could move on the summer toys and get my outdated old tech Yamaha Royal Star Venture S out for a nice long tour! Planning a 3,000 mile camping tour to visit my kids this summer but with waist deep snow that is a ways off! Maybe go ice fishing instead!

 

[Sasquatch]

I see it more like the Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Matrix partnership. Or the Subaru BRZ and Toyota FRS partnership.

Its a joint effort with shared patents and technology. No shame here. It was proven to work well in the past.

There has been a ton of shared tech but pray tell where are they today? Most has been absorbed or dropped all together. My buddy has a Dodge Stealth from a partnership that no longer exists! Now if Toyota and Pontiac shared their lineup together other then just one car it would be more the same and unlike other partnerships none have gone to the extreme that Yamaha has!

The Yamaha Cat partnership is more a I'll build you motors and you install them and build the sleds for me, different stickers on mine please! I will stop building sleds and compete with you on sales of those sleds. You though will still have a Cat identity but I will share yours as I have given up on mine!

 

[Sasquatch]

Pretty sure I told the whole story I'm sure mod for mod apex running boost the apex would be faster that's kinda of a no brainer. Not sure where your going with your post there Irv. I never said it wouldn't, all I'm saying is the viper is a better riding and handling machine and I guess if you have a turbo on it probably faster than apex unless the apex has a turbo than the apex would be faster round and round we go where we stop nobody knows. What does all this have to do with the 2019 machines anyway my bad got a little off track. I just don't understand how you guys think that the apex is a better machine than either the viper or the winder and now the srx but hey to each there own.

Reason one the engine! Reason two the drive train! Reason three its strength! Reason four its a Yamaha! Reason five I'm not a fan of the procross chassis! I could go on but you like the Viper and that's fine. I like the Apex and somehow that's not?

P.S. I'd like you to meet Bob with two O's!

 

[Sasquatch]

No problem bud, It's all good debating about Yamaha sleds. Now if someone comes on here spouting off about there Ski-Donkey! I inform them how glad I am that Ski-Doo builds such a light weight sled. They tow sooo much easier not having all that extra weight!!!! As far as the 19's, there was a post awhile back on some patents that Yamaha submitted. The chassis drawings were very Pro-Cross ish and one in particular had 4 holes in the top front of the tunnel! If Yamaha is able to shoehorn the 4cyl. into this hybrid Pro-Cross chassis my Sidewinder is outa here faster than a fat kid playing dodge ball!!!!!

Ya towing a Ski-Doo oh wait we used to say that about the Cats as well! The Apex engine will fit in the procross as dimensional its no larger then the 3 hole!

 

[Big_Phil]

Ya towing a Ski-Doo oh wait we used to say that about the Cats as well! The Apex engine will fit in the procross as dimensional its no larger then the 3 hole!

Never going to happen. I would imagine the apex motor is more expensive to produce than the 3 cylinder. 5 valves vs 4 valve per cylinder. Titanium valves in the apex. Gear reduction, extra cylinder, etc. They would prob sell very few of them if they were the same price as the sidewinder. Sidewinder makes more power, gets the same or better fuel mileage than an apex engine, and has the potential for close to 300 hp.

Theres a reason the watercraft now have the 998 3 cylinder as the base engine and not the 4 cylinder anymore. $$$$$$$

 

[mikextx]

Your "viper" makes more power than an Apex? Lol. You mean "Hurricane Performance Turbo" makes more power. Everyone on here knows that viper was a turd when you bought it. Therefore all your mods. Big ole CAT TURD.

 

[mikextx]

Everyone I know that bought one of those viper cat turds either bought a turbo kit for 5grand or sold the sled.

 

[ccmviper]

Well...this thread has gone to crap.

 

[mikextx]

Just like the 2019 lineup

 

[sledjunk]

What should they call this new Yamaha powered snowmobile company?

Snake Hybrid Integrated Technologies

 

[yamajammer76]

Everyone I know that bought one of those viper cat turds either bought a turbo kit for 5grand or sold the sled.

I run a '16 MTX 141" NA and I'm perfectly happy with the sled. I bought it with the understanding it's a "600 class" sled and it's lived up to those expectations for me. It's geared low and has plenty of torque to get through deep snow without bogging down. It's a 75 MPH sled, but I'm fine with that. The 2.25" power claw doesn't care for real high speeds anyhow.

This sled goes through deep snow better then my '12 Nytro XTX did and is much easier to ride both on and off trail.