400+hp on 92 octain pump gas??

[Turbor]

i'm going to have to agree with ted on this one, i used to have a turbo race car that ran on meth only. I can tell you one thing, yes it is VERY corrosive, it even contaminates the oil to the the point i had to change the engine oil every couple of runs, sure it was a high boost engine (45plus psi) so there was a little blow by, but still you get the picture. I also flushed the meth out of the fuel system after every even and poured gas in and let the motor idle for a few minutes in order to lubricate stuff a little. When the car wasent used for a good amount of time, every part of the fuel system id take apart, would be full of white dust because of the meth even with the precaustios i was taking. Now on the other hand i am also considering doing a kit on my trail turbo sled, hell yeah id mutch prefer to use race gas instead of the meth inj as a patch, but i will trail ride the thing and you cant get race gas in the middle of the wood. But ted is right, althought meth inj has alot of postive to it, its also good to know the downfalls of it.

 

[sledfvr]

I'm sure most know this, but make sure to use distilled water for less corrosion. The Cummins that I put it on jumped it from 420 rear wheel hp to 499 rear wheel hp and torque went from 927 fp to 1308 fp. It made a big difference. This was a 49% meth and 51% h2o. Downfall on it was that it consumed a lot. I did run it with wiper fluid (winter formula) and you could tell a small decrease in power, but for the money I'd run it. As far as it being corrosive, I know lots of people running it in diesels and haven't heard any downfalls yet, but that is a diesel too. They run on about anything.

 

[WesG]

Couple of Questions for mountain sled use.

1. How much higher can you go with the boost with 50/50 Windshield washer mix? (I dont mind packing a spare jug in my pack, might have to sacrifice a few beers though...)

2. Could you set it up so that it pumps dry and run some gas through the engine at the trailer to ease the corrosion? (would have to be after the race to the trailer)

3. How hard is it on O2 sensors? Compared to the race fuel savings, its probably a piss in the pot, but thought I would ask.

4. Lowered compression or not??? ie run the head shim or go back to stock compression.

Wes

 

[Ted Jannetty]

I'm sure most know this, but make sure to use distilled water for less corrosion. The Cummins that I put it on jumped it from 420 rear wheel hp to 499 rear wheel hp and torque went from 927 fp to 1308 fp. It made a big difference. This was a 49% meth and 51% h2o. Downfall on it was that it consumed a lot. I did run it with wiper fluid (winter formula) and you could tell a small decrease in power, but for the money I'd run it. As far as it being corrosive, I know lots of people running it in diesels and haven't heard any downfalls yet, but that is a diesel too. They run on about anything.

Any time you add fuel to a diesel it responds, not so with a gas engine.

Methanol is just another fuel, like you said Diesels will run on pretty much anything that burns.

Athough impressive, this may not be a good comparison

Something else that everyone should know, and I am sure Hurricane will agree Careful tuning of the fuel and ignition, is required to take full advantage of the benefits of water/meth or meth injection.

You can't just throw a water meth system on and expect it to make more power, in fact in most cases they lose power until tuned for it.

Typically Leaner A/F on the carbs or EFI, and more timing are required

Ted.

 

[HURRICANE]

We have spent alot of time tuning snowmobile engines with meth. There are many reasons that I recommend meth to all my customers. When we build an engine,it's expensive. They make 3 times the power that they were intended to and some guys are better tuners than others. It is in my interest to help all my customers to have a great experience with their new-found power. Without meth,there is a narrow window at which an engine will run efficiently. Too rich and the engine makes no power,Too lean and the engine melts and is destroyed in seconds. Meth ensures against the melting. Yes, Meth takes some maintanance,however, if the racer doesn't want to do any maintanance,maybe he should think about playing golf or something.
I specifically installed an engine in my sled and dynoed it at todays dyno costs to show THE MASSES that meth controls detonation. THATS ALL. The masses will use the fuel that they want and feel comfortable with, and can NOW make an informed decision on their own need based on the results that we found.Meth works for detonation and I'm sure that Ted knows it. That's why he is installing a meth kit on a car every week.
To the MASSES,,,I am NOT an advocate for some kind of Meth Cult or something. I just love the sport of snowmobile and the legal power that comes with it. When we travel to a race,we usually meet friends and laugh and joke and have a great time. If it wasn't fun,,I could find other non-profit things to do.Don't we all feel this way? I'm trying to share my knowledge so that everybody's fun is enhanced no matter where you are.

 

[Ted Jannetty]

We have spent alot of time tuning snowmobile engines with meth. There are many reasons that I recommend meth to all my customers. When we build an engine,it's expensive. They make 3 times the power that they were intended to and some guys are better tuners than others. It is in my interest to help all my customers to have a great experience with their new-found power. Without meth,there is a narrow window at which an engine will run efficiently. Too rich and the engine makes no power,Too lean and the engine melts and is destroyed in seconds. Meth ensures against the melting. Yes, Meth takes some maintanance,however, if the racer doesn't want to do any maintanance,maybe he should think about playing golf or something.
I specifically installed an engine in my sled and dynoed it at todays dyno costs to show THE MASSES that meth controls detonation. THATS ALL. The masses will use the fuel that they want and feel comfortable with, and can NOW make an informed decision on their own need based on the results that we found.Meth works for detonation and I'm sure that Ted knows it. That's why he is installing a meth kit on a car every week.
To the MASSES,,,I am NOT an advocate for some kind of Meth Cult or something. I just love the sport of snowmobile and the legal power that comes with it. When we travel to a race,we usually meet friends and laugh and joke and have a great time. If it wasn't fun,,I could find other non-profit things to do.Don't we all feel this way? I'm trying to share my knowledge so that everybody's fun is enhanced no matter where you are.

Your doing a fine job at it so Keep up the good work, we are all in this for the same reasons Fun and Learning.

Your educating everyone on the positives and I am educating everyone on the negatives and together everyone will benefit, So Please don't take offence.

Your certainly making amazing power out of a small package and not just doing it for 5 seconds which is even more amazing.

I know exactly what it takes to do what your doing and can fully appreciate what you do.

Methanol as a primary fuel can be a real source for reliable power but with it also comes more maintanence than regular racing fuel.

You can run more compression and more boost than ever though possible with Turbocharging, and you can count on about 7% more power than good old racing fuel.

Good luck it your quest for reliable power and keep us informed.

 

[dirkdiggler]

Sounds like you guys are doing some really good things here. Keep up the good work and ignore the aholes!!!

 

[Blue shadow]

How many are running this kit on there rx 1?I don t mine a tear down each year, I do the engine work my self.The fear of a burn down because I can t get 116 race fuel .I know this kit is not for everybody but in my case after 3 burn downs because of hight boost I have to fine something better to keep it alive.So if I can run the meth and 91 octane on low comp pistons 10/1 with the right a/f ratio what would be the limit on boost?This is for 800 ft snow racing .Thanks for any info.

 

[Ted Jannetty]

How many are running this kit on there rx 1?I don t mine a tear down each year, I do the engine work my self.The fear of a burn down because I can t get 116 race fuel .I know this kit is not for everybody but in my case after 3 burn downs because of hight boost I have to fine something better to keep it alive.So if I can run the meth and 91 octane on low comp pistons 10/1 with the right a/f ratio what would be the limit on boost?This is for 800 ft snow racing .Thanks for any info.

Your intercooler is Far too small for 22 psi boost this is more than likely why your buring down.

I would not run that intercooler past 15 psi for more than 5 seconds.

 

[Blue shadow]

I thaught that Jeff made his intercoolers with the most flow with his turbo kits? Jeff Simons can you charm in and give us some info on your intercoolers,thanks.

 

[HURRICANE]

I must agree that the intercooler was never designed to flow high boost,however, the meth will take out the detonation anyway.
Meth does a very good job of eliminating detonation but there is higher cylinder pressures with pump gas. When switching from 20lbs boost on race gas,you can turn your boost down to about 18 to 19lbs boost and rejet for pump gas and make the same HP.Now your intercooler doesn't need to work as hard

 

[Blue shadow]

Thanks hurricane .I wiil be calling you for a kit before the snow comes .

 

[Blue shadow]

If running only 660 ft racing why would you need a intercooler with meth .With out the intercooler you are now getting full force with out restriction.I know it lowers the temp but would this work?

 

[Ted Jannetty]

If running only 660 ft racing why would you need a intercooler with meth .With out the intercooler you are now getting full force with out restriction.I know it lowers the temp but would this work?

Yes it Works and Has been done for years in other applications.

That is why we call it the Poor mans Intercooler LOL!

I suspect in colder temps It may even work better, cooling comes from converting liquid to a gas, and it is harder to convert water to a vapor with cold air.

It will require more Water/Meth to achieve the same charge air temps as using both.

The intercooler your using also has 4, 90 degree turns for the charge air so it will be beneficial to get rid of it.

Ted.

 

[Blue shadow]

thanks Ted for the info