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There is not a ban on studs for snowmobiles in Quebec. I hope that is easy enough to understand.
sk-rx1
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That makes much more sense. Of course where I read it was in the NYSSA magazine, seemed pretty clear there.
Doum
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The loud muffler are closing trails. The owners that give rights of way on their land for the snowmobile clubs trails,
are often farmers who go to bed at 8:00 pm and get up at 3:30 am.
More often than not, it's the clubs themselves who ask the police to make checks for noisy muffler,
changing trails location because of loss of rights of way are really expensive for clubs.
If your clubs tolerate loud muffler that's good for you but here it is not always the case, unfortunately, and that is very understandable by most of the people.
are often farmers who go to bed at 8:00 pm and get up at 3:30 am.
More often than not, it's the clubs themselves who ask the police to make checks for noisy muffler,
changing trails location because of loss of rights of way are really expensive for clubs.
If your clubs tolerate loud muffler that's good for you but here it is not always the case, unfortunately, and that is very understandable by most of the people.
smoothride
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If it is noise then the manufacturers should come out with a sled that does not have a track on it. The track howls and makes more noise then anything.
Doum
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The track howls and makes more noise then anything.
You're probably right but land owners often think and talk about mufflers.
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This is a great point and in Quebec with so much money in snow tourism I could see the motoneige community directly seeking enforcement for this reason but I think he was using a "Quiet" trail can.The loud muffler are closing trails. The owners that give rights of way on their land for the snowmobile clubs trails,
are often farmers who go to bed at 8:00 pm and get up at 3:30 am.
More often than not, it's the clubs themselves who ask the police to make checks for noisy muffler,
changing trails location because of loss of rights of way are really expensive for clubs.
If your clubs tolerate loud muffler that's good for you but here it is not always the case, unfortunately, and that is very understandable by most of the people.
Silly. ) Some cans are loud. Some people don't like them.If it is noise then the manufacturers should come out with a sled that does not have a track on it. The track howls and makes more noise then anything.
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Aftermarket cans are illegal in Ontario as well, the fine is $115. It might be different in the north but in muskoka/haliburton and south they are fairly strict.
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For Canadians guys , Is it possible to modify the stock one for more flow like Ulmer does ?
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From my experience for over 20 years in northern Ontario if you are running a 2 stroke with stingers and being a a$$ (hammering the throttle at night)then yes a ticket is merit!!! But if you have a silent pipe or one the doesn't create big noise when not on throttle then you are ok!!
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bottom line don't hammer it in residential areas and we will be fineFrom my experience for over 20 years in northern Ontario if you are running a 2 stroke with stingers and being a a$$ (hammering the throttle at night)then yes a ticket is merit!!! But if you have a silent pipe or one the doesn't create big noise when not on throttle then you are ok!!
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In Ontario they are sometimes interpreting the law to make aftermarket cans illegal. Anyone who has fought it has won because the Judge says that they are misinterpreting the law. Nowhere in the Motorized Snow Vehicle Act does it say you can not have an aftermarket muffler! Neither does the Motor Vehicle Safety Act. You cant remove the muffler modify it or render it inoperative but under the MSVA you can replace your muffler.
Equipment requirements
Muffler in working order
18. (1) No person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle unless it is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation and no person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle which has a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon the motorized snow vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (1).
Removing or modifying any component
(2) No person shall drive or permit to be driven any motorized snow vehicle upon which any component or device, which was required under the provisions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) at the time that the motorized snow vehicle was manufactured or imported into Canada, has been removed, modified or rendered inoperative. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (2).
SSCC
SOUND EMISSION
Current Requirements
(1) The sound pressure level of the snowmobile shall not exceed 73 decibels on the “A” scale (73dBA) at 15.2m (50
ft) when traveling at 24km/h (15mph), and when tested in accordance with SAE Recommended Practice J1161,
“Operational Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Snowmobiles” (APR2004), except paragraph 7.7 thereof.
(2) The sound pressure level of the snowmobile shall not exceed 78 decibels on the “A” scale (78dBA) at 15.2m (50ft) when accelerating at wide open throttle,
and when tested in accordance with SAE Recommended Practice J192, “Maximum Exterior Sound Level for Snowmobiles” MAR 2003 (model year 2012)
or MAR 2011 (model year 2013 and up), except paragraph 6.7 thereof. To determine compliance with the current requirements, a value of 2dB(A), to
allow for variations in test sites, temperature gradients, wind velocity gradients, and test equipment, shall be subtracted from the highest average value recorded
in accordance with paragraph 6.4 in the case of SAEJ1161, and paragraph 5.2.2 in the case of SAEJ192.
Now they are charging you following this part of the SSCC (Snowmobile Safety and Certification Committee) The interesting part is however are they charging you under the Motor Snow Vehicle act or the MVSA? Can they even charge you under the SSCC? The SSCC applies to the Manufacture (it does say "Each snowmobile Manufature must place") to be able to sell the sled. It has little to do with the MVA or the MVSA! The fine will have the section of the act you are charged under. I'm curious as to what part of the act they laid charges under! Reason is if somehow its under the SSCC then things like after market seats, fuel tanks (think turbos) Passenger aftermarket seats (right on your sled it says "This vehicle is designed for operator only–no passengers” and under the SSCC it must have this sticker attached so as to be read from the driving position) ect. are not SAE tested or certified to be used on your sled!
SNOWMOBILE EXHAUST SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION Current Requirements
Every snowmobile shall comply with the requirements specified in SSCC-63,
“Identification of Snowmobile Exhaust Systems”
REV: NOV 2010
IDENTIFICATION OF SNOWMOBILE EXHAUST SYSTEMS, SSCC-63
1.
SCOPE
This recommended practice is intended to provide minimum requirements for the identification of snowmobile exhaust systems.
2.
REQUIREMENTS
Each snowmobile manufacturer shall place on their exhaust systems the letters “SSCC Certified” with the manufacturers name underneath. The letters shall be legible and have a minimum height of 4mm. The marking must be on the exhaust silencer, visible and legible to an observer by lifting a snowmobile hood and without detaching or dismantling any component parts. The markings shall be embossed and pressed or attached in a similarly durable manner to the outer surface of the exhaust
silencer assembly, and resistance to alteration. The markings shall be so affixed that it will be difficult to remove, replace or alter without detection.
3.
The SSCC Exhaust labeling is not required for Class II Children’s snowmobile.
Luck for us they do not enforce here yet.
Equipment requirements
Muffler in working order
18. (1) No person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle unless it is equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation and no person shall drive a motorized snow vehicle which has a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device upon the motorized snow vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (1).
Removing or modifying any component
(2) No person shall drive or permit to be driven any motorized snow vehicle upon which any component or device, which was required under the provisions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act (Canada) at the time that the motorized snow vehicle was manufactured or imported into Canada, has been removed, modified or rendered inoperative. R.S.O. 1990, c. M.44, s. 18 (2).
SSCC
SOUND EMISSION
Current Requirements
(1) The sound pressure level of the snowmobile shall not exceed 73 decibels on the “A” scale (73dBA) at 15.2m (50
ft) when traveling at 24km/h (15mph), and when tested in accordance with SAE Recommended Practice J1161,
“Operational Sound Level Measurement Procedure for Snowmobiles” (APR2004), except paragraph 7.7 thereof.
(2) The sound pressure level of the snowmobile shall not exceed 78 decibels on the “A” scale (78dBA) at 15.2m (50ft) when accelerating at wide open throttle,
and when tested in accordance with SAE Recommended Practice J192, “Maximum Exterior Sound Level for Snowmobiles” MAR 2003 (model year 2012)
or MAR 2011 (model year 2013 and up), except paragraph 6.7 thereof. To determine compliance with the current requirements, a value of 2dB(A), to
allow for variations in test sites, temperature gradients, wind velocity gradients, and test equipment, shall be subtracted from the highest average value recorded
in accordance with paragraph 6.4 in the case of SAEJ1161, and paragraph 5.2.2 in the case of SAEJ192.
Now they are charging you following this part of the SSCC (Snowmobile Safety and Certification Committee) The interesting part is however are they charging you under the Motor Snow Vehicle act or the MVSA? Can they even charge you under the SSCC? The SSCC applies to the Manufacture (it does say "Each snowmobile Manufature must place") to be able to sell the sled. It has little to do with the MVA or the MVSA! The fine will have the section of the act you are charged under. I'm curious as to what part of the act they laid charges under! Reason is if somehow its under the SSCC then things like after market seats, fuel tanks (think turbos) Passenger aftermarket seats (right on your sled it says "This vehicle is designed for operator only–no passengers” and under the SSCC it must have this sticker attached so as to be read from the driving position) ect. are not SAE tested or certified to be used on your sled!
SNOWMOBILE EXHAUST SYSTEM IDENTIFICATION Current Requirements
Every snowmobile shall comply with the requirements specified in SSCC-63,
“Identification of Snowmobile Exhaust Systems”
REV: NOV 2010
IDENTIFICATION OF SNOWMOBILE EXHAUST SYSTEMS, SSCC-63
1.
SCOPE
This recommended practice is intended to provide minimum requirements for the identification of snowmobile exhaust systems.
2.
REQUIREMENTS
Each snowmobile manufacturer shall place on their exhaust systems the letters “SSCC Certified” with the manufacturers name underneath. The letters shall be legible and have a minimum height of 4mm. The marking must be on the exhaust silencer, visible and legible to an observer by lifting a snowmobile hood and without detaching or dismantling any component parts. The markings shall be embossed and pressed or attached in a similarly durable manner to the outer surface of the exhaust
silencer assembly, and resistance to alteration. The markings shall be so affixed that it will be difficult to remove, replace or alter without detection.
3.
The SSCC Exhaust labeling is not required for Class II Children’s snowmobile.
Luck for us they do not enforce here yet.
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