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Anybody ever think about buying a 2 stroke again

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Im not real brand loyal.I just like to ride fast.Before buying I was going to buy a Mach Z or my Gt.I ended up with the GT.After owning for a while I dont think I will ever go back to a 2 stroke.There fast and sound good but to screw around with oil and bad fuel mileage.And then every time you do something besides cluthing your wondering weather or not its lean and going to burn a piston.Just saying 4 stroke is awesome.The way Im going to stay.
 

Every time my buddies have to open there hood and check and fill there oil... or complain about the distance between gas stations i am GLAD I OWN A FOURSTROKE

Yea they are a little heavier.. (only in the stearing) but they dont break down half as much (although all manufactures are getting better) and dont burn oil and get great gas milage..

BUT..They still need to loose 30+lbs off the front end..

Im on my 3rd FOURSTROKE... what does that say...LOL
 
I have rode a 05 mach z I have a few friends with them I almost think they feel like they they weigh more even thou I know they dont.They just look low and long.i think they are a good sled.The extra money you can save by buying a )5 mach your going to spend on spark plugs and oil.
 
Like I said im trying to brand bash Im just giving my thoughts.I do like the mach.I just dont see any other brands with anything I would buy right now.
 
ARE YOU NUTZ!!! I did that after my 03 RX1ER. I hated the ride soooo much I went to a REV. I missed the 4stroke so much I was back for 05.

I should of held out 1 more year and I would have ended up with an Apex and a less pi$$ed off wife.
 
Let me be honest........there the perfect sled for me no tinkering,no smell,smooth running......the list goes on and on.I buy and sell sleds all the time,so i'll probably buy another two stroke......to resell.
 
Depends on the application.

For a trail sled? Probably not...I think 4 stroke is the way to go on that front. And this board seems to be mostly trail riders, and I don't think that's a coincidence. Mountain riders simply don't buy Yamahas, so theyr'e not on this board. Yamaha's 4 stroke mountain sled simply is not competitive in comparison....yet.

But show me true Direct Injection on a 2 stroke trail sled? Then I might go back to a 2 stroke on the trails as well...and I'm sure it's just around the corner for Doo (given their Evinrude E-TEC technology that's at their disposal), if not also for the others.

We just have to get past this SDI hurdle, which is good but not great. Offer DI in a new chassis (which is also over-due from Doo)...and NOW you've got something that can offer viable competition against a 4 stroke...I'd have to give such a thing some serious consideration if/when it comes out.

Yamaha's 4 strokes are great sleds trail sleds. Period. But for mountain riding & boondocking, weight DOES make a huge difference. The fine job Yamaha does with weight distribution in an effor to "mask" the extra weight is totally meaningless when you're actually trying to move through, and eventuall manually dig out, of neck high powder on a steep hillside. Dead weight is dead weight, and weight distribution doesn't change the laws of physics.

A lot of arguments here in favor of better reliability/long life of 4 strokes. True. But again, that's meaningless for me. A 2 stroke trail sled will last 5,000 to 6,000 miles easily. Well before that time, I'm normally trading in for new anyway. And for my mountain sleds that time frame is even shorter. As for Doos melting pistons? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, and they ARE more likely to suffer such a burndown than a 4 stroke, but I am saying that in many miles of Doo SDI riding by friends and acquaintences over the past several years, I've personally NEVER witnessed it first hand. So I don't think it's as wide spread a problem as some make it out to be. Contrary to what many people think who frequent these boards (ALL boards for all brands, not just this one) multiple internet posts on a topic do NOT necessarily make a fact.

And cost of oil or fuel economy? If I'm in this sport to save money, I'm an idiot. Snowmobiling costs cash and I'm willing to spend it. But fuel economy is meaningful to me in one front....range. Again a fuel pig will shorten a mountain ride where there are no gas stations....or make it harder because you have to carry extra fuel cans (more dead weight). BUT....Doo SDI's are known to be matching and/or beating Yamahas in fuel economy, and DI will only make them better yet. So I don't buy into the fuel economy argument either.

4 years from now will be REAL interesting, IMO. I'm not fiercely brand loyal, and I'm always open to new things and switching brands to whomever offers the best for my application, so my answer may change by then. But for now here's my rankings: # 1 trail sled: Yamaha. # 1 Mountain sled: Ski-Doo

Think snow!
 
Never Looking Back

I have had alot of time on the new Yamaha four-strokes. I am very happy with the performance, gas mileage and handling of them. I will buy another. When Yamaha came out with the first four-stroke motocrosser in 1998 I got one. I have owned three now and would never go back. Wish I had one when I was young. My conversion is complete, I will never look back at two-stroke. :yam: :4STroke:
 
If DOO ever makes a good motor in DI, that is reliable for @least 12000.00 miles, then I'd go back, but that could be a long time and by then maybe the weight of the Four strokes will be down by 40-50lbs because that really is the only thing I dislike so far about my sled.
 
Ok I owned a 05 Mach-No mo. The Mach could get 15mpg if you rode it easy and down to 10-11mpg if ya had your foot in it. I didn't have a problem with that. About 1 quart of oil per 200 miles. I agree after riding a RTX and GT, the Mach feels much heavier, not balanced and the suspension completely sucks comparing it to the RTX/GT and REV. Reliabilty you ask? That's why it's gone. Thought sleds would be getting better than 20 years ago when you rode and wrenched! By far, the WORST sled I have ever rode in regards to reliabilty. Well maybe the 71 340 TNT was worse. And then BRP's customer service-wait a minute-what customer service? If it wasn't for my dealer, I'd be screwed. Yes DI would be great but at BRP's current track record, no freakin way. It maybe the latest and greatest but plan on a tow rope and many trailering trips to the dealer with a 10 grand sled for "updates."
Hope Yamaha doesn't go this route with their sleds and or customer service. Skidoo's USED to be an excellent machine. Ever since BRP took over I consider them taking one huge nose dive.
My next sled is going to start with a Y.

I feel better now!
 
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