yamaha1973
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Dimebag said:yamaha1973 said:should have been more specific, use red loctite
I used green loctite, which i believe is even harder than the red one.
I'll keep an eye on that bolt, but it definately should not come loose anymore..
No definatetly not with green!
revster said:I had the same one come loose with blue loctite on it. I cleaned it with brake cleaner, used red loctite and torqued it a little tighter and it hasn't come loose since.
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Dimebag
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According to loctite.com the blue one has medium strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/243%20NEW-EN.PDF
While the green has high strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/648-EN.PDF
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/243%20NEW-EN.PDF
While the green has high strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/648-EN.PDF
scmurs
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Dimebag said:According to loctite.com the blue one has medium strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/243%20NEW-EN.PDF
While the green has high strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/648-EN.PDF
The green loctite you are using is NOT for threaded fateners, it is for retaining bearings on shafts or in bores.
Use #271 red for standard usage, or #277 red for high temp applications.
Dimebag
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I'll double check tomorrow. I might have gotten the numbers wrong.
I just remember the colour was green, and i was told it was even stronger than the blue one.
Thanks
I just remember the colour was green, and i was told it was even stronger than the blue one.
Thanks
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scmurs said:Dimebag said:According to loctite.com the blue one has medium strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/243%20NEW-EN.PDF
While the green has high strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/648-EN.PDF
The green loctite you are using is NOT for threaded fateners, it is for retaining bearings on shafts or in bores.
Use #271 red for standard usage, or #277 red for high temp applications.
you are wrong on the green loctite.
there absolutely is green loctite used for retaining nuts and bolts.
it is considered wicking grade. meaning you apply it AFTER the nuts and bolts are fastened and it penetrates the nut and bolt to form a bond.
it is graded as medium to high strength.
i would use red #277 it is listed with the highest breakaway strength.
you should also be using primer N if there is aluminum involved.
here is some interesting reading for ya.
http://www.quicktite.loctite.com/us/con ... utions.pdf
scmurs
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RTX said:scmurs said:Dimebag said:According to loctite.com the blue one has medium strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/243%20NEW-EN.PDF
While the green has high strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/648-EN.PDF
The green loctite you are using is NOT for threaded fateners, it is for retaining bearings on shafts or in bores.
Use #271 red for standard usage, or #277 red for high temp applications.
you are wrong on the green loctite.
there absolutely is green loctite used for retaining nuts and bolts.
it is considered wicking grade. meaning you apply it AFTER the nuts and bolts are fastened and it penetrates the nut and bolt to form a bond.
it is graded as medium to high strength.
i would use red #277 it is listed with the highest breakaway strength.
you should also be using primer N if there is aluminum involved.
here is some interesting reading for ya.
http://www.quicktite.loctite.com/us/con ... utions.pdf
I should have been clearer with my post. The #648 that Lars mentioned ( which is green ) is not for threaded fasteners. The wicking which you mentioned ( green as well ) is #290.
Both green, different applications.
Scott
Dimebag
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The green one i used is called 2701. Thread locking high strenght.
Alatalo
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Do not get confused with all of the talk about different color Loctites, I get the impression they are different between different markets. Go with the product numbers according to the recommendations from Loctite:
222-series = low strength thread locker (pink/purple in Europe)
243-series = medium strength thread locker (blue in Europe)
270-series = high strength thread locker (green in Europe)
Normally, 243-series should be enough for all bolts in a snowmobile skid as 270-series is meant for permanent assembly (parts that should never be disassembled again). If a bolt mounted with 243-series Loctite suddenly starts to un-thread itself over and over again, something is wrong. This is likely caused by a bent bolt or another bent suspension component or a seized bearing on that particular shaft.
222-series = low strength thread locker (pink/purple in Europe)
243-series = medium strength thread locker (blue in Europe)
270-series = high strength thread locker (green in Europe)
Normally, 243-series should be enough for all bolts in a snowmobile skid as 270-series is meant for permanent assembly (parts that should never be disassembled again). If a bolt mounted with 243-series Loctite suddenly starts to un-thread itself over and over again, something is wrong. This is likely caused by a bent bolt or another bent suspension component or a seized bearing on that particular shaft.
Harmonics can loosen anything that is not safety wired. I have been using the highest strength green
bearing and stud mount on anything 1/4" and up for
25 years. It comes off just fine. Don't believe all the
hype loctite puts out.
bearing and stud mount on anything 1/4" and up for
25 years. It comes off just fine. Don't believe all the
hype loctite puts out.
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scmurs said:RTX said:scmurs said:Dimebag said:According to loctite.com the blue one has medium strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/243%20NEW-EN.PDF
While the green has high strenght.
http://65.213.72.112/tds5/docs/648-EN.PDF
The green loctite you are using is NOT for threaded fateners, it is for retaining bearings on shafts or in bores.
Use #271 red for standard usage, or #277 red for high temp applications.
you are wrong on the green loctite.
there absolutely is green loctite used for retaining nuts and bolts.
it is considered wicking grade. meaning you apply it AFTER the nuts and bolts are fastened and it penetrates the nut and bolt to form a bond.
it is graded as medium to high strength.
i would use red #277 it is listed with the highest breakaway strength.
you should also be using primer N if there is aluminum involved.
here is some interesting reading for ya.
http://www.quicktite.loctite.com/us/con ... utions.pdf
I should have been clearer with my post. The #648 that Lars mentioned ( which is green ) is not for threaded fasteners. The wicking which you mentioned ( green as well ) is #290.
Both green, different applications.
Scott
Scott
sorry, i apologise you were correct with your statement i misunderstood you and thought you were saying all green is used as a retaining compound.
there seems to be a ton of confusion with a lot of people pertaining to the use of loctite and colors etc etc.
I do not claim to be the endall know all on loctite but i did attended a seminar run by henkel/loctite and was taught by loctite that nothing. i repeat nothing is stronger then red. they refered to breakaway strength and showed us stats graphs and pictures.
millions of different things affect loctite. materials being bonded ie alum steel zink etc. platings. oils. cleanlieness of parts. all this stuff plays a huge factor. if you dont believe it the do a quick qoogle search comparison between products. there is a ton of information out ther on this stuff.
i can tell you that 277 and 217 have the highest rated breakaway strength of all the loctite threadlocking products and both are red. i also suggest using primers on anything that is plated or not steel
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