Apex vs rev chassis

[Moose Magnet]

I've been riding a rev for the past 3 seasons and theres no doubt that it is an awesome chassis. but the problem I had was what was under the hood (600sdi). I had a bad one, revs would cut out on it steady and I had issues with the rings and I blew 2 pistons. I road doo all my life and after all the b.s. I went through, I made the switch to an Attak. I had a chance to try out an Attak demo numerous times last season, and the more I drove it, the more I loved it. I snow checked my Attak and It should be in any day now. I never been this excited about getting a sled in a long time.

 

[yammiman]

.....I agree, but but the REV was so advanced, that everyone else has copied the rider forward.....

If you look at the time line, IMO the Rev was a spin off of the Redline that never hit the market - the Redline was in development a year or two before the Rev hit the street - then you have the suspension they stole from Polaris, Power valves they stole from AC & Yamaha, skis they stole from Simmons, the list goes on - they would not have the SDI technology if BRP had not aquired Evinrude - I've always though Ski Doo's (or BRP) strongest trait has been their marketing strategy - for someone that has been building 2 strokes for 40 plus years, their engines should be rock solid - NOT!

 

[jds1000]

.....I agree, but but the REV was so advanced, that everyone else has copied the rider forward.....

If you look at the time line, IMO the Rev was a spin off of the Redline that never hit the market - the Redline was in development a year or two before the Rev hit the street - then you have the suspension they stole from Polaris, Power valves they stole from AC & Yamaha, skis they stole from Simmons, the list goes on - they would not have the SDI technology if BRP had not aquired Evinrude - I've always though Ski Doo's (or BRP) strongest trait has been their marketing strategy - for someone that has been building 2 strokes for 40 plus years, their engines should be rock solid - NOT!

Ski Doo has had power valves on their production sleds since the 1980's, long before any other manufacturer even thought of them.

 

[yammiman]

Okay, I missed one! LOL - how about heated carbs and the Rip Saw track? (I know, they all have stole that) - I will give them the electronic reverse though!

 

[grader]

yamaha was using power valves in their 2 stroke bikes in the seventies.

 

[RED800]

camoplast made the track,yamaha wanted a new track,camoplast said we'll make it but we want the rights to it

 

[yammiman]

....yamaha was using power valves in their 2 stroke bikes in the seventies...

I was thinking they had them for a while, they just didn't put them on their sled until the triples!?


.....camoplast said we'll make it but we want the rights to it.......

That is true, but it was still Yamaha's design

Are we stealing this thread??

 

[TT670]

....yamaha was using power valves in their 2 stroke bikes in the seventies...

I was thinking they had them for a while, they just didn't put them on their sled until the triples!?


.....camoplast said we'll make it but we want the rights to it.......

That is true, but it was still Yamaha's design

Are we stealing this thread??

Yes yamaha did have power valves but they were complicated. Rotax revolutionzed them with a simple exhaust pressure activated guillotine and nobody else really ever got them to work as well with as much simplicity and little maintenance as rotax did.

 

[jds1000]

....yamaha was using power valves in their 2 stroke bikes in the seventies...

I was thinking they had them for a while, they just didn't put them on their sled until the triples!?


.....camoplast said we'll make it but we want the rights to it.......

That is true, but it was still Yamaha's design

Are we stealing this thread??

Yes yamaha did have power valves but they were complicated. Rotax revolutionzed them with a simple exhaust pressure activated guillotine and nobody else really ever got them to work as well with as much simplicity and little maintenance as rotax did.

I don't miss power valves at all with my Apex. I don't care when they open or close anymore and I no longer worry about them sticking or having to clean them either. All I want to do from now on is turn the key and ride.

 

[yammiman]

 

[gsxr]

AND the yamaha will get you home !!

 

[Sno Cat]

I own an Attak, got some friends w/MXZ's & GSX's. I have not riden a Mach Z. The Attak seating position is much more comfortable. My knees are too bent on the rev, the Rev handlebars are awkwardly position & the gages are harder to read. The biggest problem w/the Rev chassis is you cannot eliminate the darting. I've spent hours trying to get the suspension adjusted to no avail. Bottom line is the Rev chassis has too much weight forward, the darting can't be reduced to a comfortable level.
Ridng the Attak is like riding a turbine. She's smooth, rails the turns w/out fighting her & it's the best handling sled out there.