Cold Start Question

[Shuff]

Took my 07 phazer GT to the dealer to get all the recall work done that the previous owner didn't. I asked about a cold start recall and they didn't know what I was talking about. They did some wire harness recall that they said a hard cold start was a symptom. Well that did nothing. Even with 60 degree weather it still cranks forever before it starts. What exactly is the cold start recall?

 

[Mooseman]

This thread has all the info, including the bulletin itself:
http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php?t=78744&highlight=

 

[Shuff]

Thanks, I searched and did not find that. Sometimes I suck at computers...

 

[Cubby]

I found this service document on the cold start.

 

[RayKnobs]

Looks like they don't this under warranty after dec 31 2009??

 

[xt_gt]

i bought mine with the update done but noticed the same. cranks awhile when even warm out. i changed plugs, didn't need too, ended up being low on fuel & it was reformulated crap i think. filled up the tank with new stuff & it got better but still seemed to have longer-than-i-like starts.
so i touched the throttle a little bit when cranking,(shouldn't need too), fired up instantly. i resort to this method if it's being stubborn so i don't kill my battery.
all my symptoms were just the initial fire up. after riding, it was fine.

 

[Mooseman]

After having mine done, it did reduce the starting time in half (3 revs instead of 6). I did hear some time ago that it has been extended beyond Dec.31, 2009. Check with your dealer.

xt_gt: Are you sure it was the actual cold weather start update that was done and not just the wiring replacement? Check the bulletin and check your ECM serial.

 

[spike337]

A different dealer (then i bought it from)did my cold start update when i had it in for an oil change. That and what must've been a reverse issue? Anyway, it starts a LOT faster now!

 

[xt_gt]

good point mooseman. i'll check that & the print out of the services that were done, the dealer gave me.

 

[Mooseman]

There was another recall/service bulletin for a faulty ground wire on Phazers specifically which can result in a no start condition. Unless the customer complains specifically about cold weather starting problems, dealers either don't know about it or don't mention it. I sorta fudged the truth to my dealer, saying that I experienced cold weather start problems even though I only had the sled 1 month in October .

I read and researched about my sled a lot here and I did find that it took too long to start in "normal" temps. I was bringing it in for other recalls and had it done at the same time as a preventive measure.

 

[xt_gt]

bulletin is S07-011. what am i looking for on the ecm, just a #?
heard about the ground wire too. dealer said it was the yellow connector, by the oil tank, which has the headlight & something else together. i saw the new connector & it makes the headlight 1 ground & the other wires are sent to another ground because the headlight draws too much amps i guess. gets too hot & possibly melts the wires to cause a fire.

 

[Mooseman]

Basically, look for a mark that ends in "-10". That is the mark of the new ECM.

 

[RayKnobs]

I went to the dealer today and gave them my VIN. They printed me out a sheet with all of the recalls. None had been done. i only remember ball joints and steering linkage. I dropped the sled of later that afternoon. All recalls are still honored, no cost.

 

[Shuff]

Did you go to filers? I just had mine there and they knew nothing about the cold start bulletin.

 

[RayKnobs]

Yeah filers.

Cold start isn't a recall so I don't think those come up when they run a VIN
and... it's filer's

totally forgot about Stones, I haven't had a Yamaha in 10 years.