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Deadly corner!!!

I look after a section of snowmobile trail in my area and I was told if the proper signage is not in place the snowmobile club could be held responsible if a accident happens.A few years back a sledder was speeding and off trail and hit a stump,he was badly hurt and sued .The club had to pay big money!!! He must of had a good lawyer and a tree hugger for a judge. :o| It was posted in the Ottawa Sun paper that the last greiving widow was shocked that there was no signs marking the corner that took 2 lives.If there is a law suit this is where it will come from!!!
 

cat hunter said:
The club had to pay big money!!! quote]

And this my friends, is why we can no longer attract volunteers to run our clubs, and maintain the trials. The riders need to take responsibility for their actions... signs or no signs... ride responsibly... it's not a race.

Any day we loose a fellow snowmobiler, is a sad day. Let's all ride to arrive.
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And this my friends, is why we can no longer attract volunteers to run our clubs, and maintain the trials. The riders need to take responsibility for their actions... signs or no signs... ride responsibly... it's not a race.

Any day we loose a fellow snowmobiler, is a sad day. Let's all ride to arrive.[/quote]

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This story was that the first death on this trail/corner happened last month and nothing was done by the club. No warnings, signs, anything were added. This is bordering on negligence by the club. Even our own club president said in The Sun that Quebec's signage rules are not as strict as Ontario's. At meetings, we were making fun at the fact we have so much signage on our trails to satisfy the lawyers.. Guess what? They were right! It's better to be safe than sorry.

I too don't advocate lawsuits, especially frivolous ones, but they are sometimes needed in cases of true negligence to shake things up and prevent the same thing from happening to others. Otherwise, there would be no consequences.

My deepest condolences to the two families involved.
 
The situation is very sad, my lil sister is friends with one of the younger sons.

The problem here is that nothing was done after the first incident. The club should have gone out and put up a warning sign and some caution tape or something. A corner should be marked, especially if there is a cliff behind it.

http://www.ottawasun.com/news/ottawa/20 ... 59471.html

My condolences to the familys
 
This is a small club with alot of remote area to maintain with mostly volunteers and small budget.This trail is on crown land and the government should help in the maintainance.The old rail bed in my area is 50 miles long and we share it with bicycles,that don't use it!!! :die They got a grant of $135,000 to pave part of our trail.That should really help the sledders next winter.That money might have saved 2 lives!!! :o| I went and added more caution signs on my piece of trail today for piece of mind .
 
Isay drive at your own risk but we all know that will never happen, you can mark the trails till your blue in the face it doesnt matter there should have been more because of what happened last week even though you put more up yesterday he didnt see it but he would have seen it if you put it on that tree.You can get sued for putting those warnings up because you knew there was a problem.
 
I am sure that if there was a sign that indicated there was a cliff on the edge of the corner people would take it easy.

I don't think anyone would be successful in suing the club because they put up a sign meaning they know about the danger.
 
I was just trying to say no matter what you do people will find a way of sueing somehow. Its just like when I built a track for my son for motorcross with jumps ect on my own property with posted signs saying no trespassing I still was taken to the cleaners go figure.yamahas not trying nor my intent to argue but I wouldn't be suprised that a lawyer would say hey! the club shouldn't of made the trail so close to that cliff. Now saying all that I said I feel for the family and wish them the best.
 
What we're talking about is negligence, not what if's or how to idiot proof the world. If the club would have taken due diligence after knowing that there is a problem on a dangerous part of the trail by adding warnings and signs, then they would have been covered as they at least TRIED to do something. This was not the case here.

What about sledders that go highmarking in avalanche prone areas? They evaluate the conditions according to the avalanche center reports and warnings. But, what if the avalanche center knew that there was a high risk of avalanche in an area and failed to make it known to anybody. Then the center is negligent if anybody that relies on their reports for their safety gets injured or killed.

It comes down to KNOWING about it and doing NOTHING to prevent it.
 
If snowmobilers start lawsuits against snowmobile clubs then our sport is doomed! My condolences too the families but we all must take responsibility for pressing the fun flipper and ride to arrive. I like that motto "Ride To Arrive" that motto I am going to use while on my bike as well.
 
Mooseman said:
What we're talking about is negligence, not what if's or how to idiot proof the world. If the club would have taken due diligence after knowing that there is a problem on a dangerous part of the trail by adding warnings and signs, then they would have been covered as they at least TRIED to do something. This was not the case here.

What about sledders that go highmarking in avalanche prone areas? They evaluate the conditions according to the avalanche center reports and warnings. But, what if the avalanche center knew that there was a high risk of avalanche in an area and failed to make it known to anybody. Then the center is negligent if anybody that relies on their reports for their safety gets injured or killed.

It comes down to KNOWING about it and doing NOTHING to prevent it.
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I am sorry but I disagree. First off were these people doing the correct speed limit? Were the sleds these people were riding have the correct steering carbides and picks needed to take this corner safely? Were these people riding with a properly working frost free face shield? Were they wearing glasses if they need them and if they were was the glasses frost free to give adequate vision? Were these machines properly set up? Were these peoples riding skills adequate to ride this trail? I could go on but I hope you see the point I am trying to make. We as riders have to take the responsibility to up keep our sleds, ride with the proper gear, ride within our means to handle the sled in any situation. Ride with caution and go slow enough to be able to see any danger before your into it so you can avoid it altogether or slow down enough to negotiate any dangerous situation. Mostly take responsibilty for your actions, if you go riding where there is any possibility of an avalance and you know there is a chance of it happening. That is risk you are assuming and you could pay for it with your life or the life of a loved one or a friend. Sounds cold but that's the reality of it.
 
Remind me to NEVER let cat hunter, ecopter, Mooseman, and yamahas ride on my property or anywhere near me. Any excuse for a lawsuit out of these guys.


If they sue, I hope the families of these 2 get nothing.
 
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