Does Rider Forward Seating HAVE To Equal No Wind Protection?

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[Silverbullet]

Since the Apex has a new front end and shocks I think we should reserve coments on the cornering abilities untill someone actually rides one

 

[Yamahnator]

Kenlacy

Yamanator - so are you one of those Yami Sheep that believes they should not be criticized? But you just said you criticized them last year?

How would I be a sheep if I was saying a while ago that Doo had it right with the rider forward position... The definition of a sheep is one who takes whatever their manufacturer hands them and accepts it. All I've ever said is that diversity is a good thing. I have no problem with you old timers having your sunday drive distance cruisers. If you want to drive like you're riding on an Amtrak train go right ahead. Just give me the opportunity to have that "ditch banger." That is what frustrates me. Yamaha broke into a new demographic and instead of supporting it ALONG with asking for trail cruisers, they only whine and cry. Of course I can only laugh now for the crow they are eating from before (those lake cruisers) and saying that "we don't need a ditch banger."


Kenlacy

Ever ride a Rev or F-cat - both require a lot more work in the corners while trail riding to get them to perform. That is fine when on a snow cross track or on moguled trails - it is not necessary otherwise.

I've ridden both several times. Handling is effected by rider forward position? That's a myth, something that is perpetuated by people who just jump on them once or twice and don't know how to adapt to the new ergonomics.



Kenlacy

I have known three people now with Rev's, 3 have sold them and gone back to Pols and another to an RX-1. The ones that sold them did not like riding in that position a majority of the time. 1 of them did.

Yay you know 3 people. I also know several people who switched to Doo and absolutely love them. Your point?



Kenlacy

Rider forward is generally for Snocross, ditchbangin and horsecrap trails.

With a keen sense of the obvious. Apparently it's never occurred to you that some of us are fans of snowcross (and want yamaha to get back into it) or that we enjoy a hard ride of ditchbanging every now and then. Yamaha has realized this and is treating us. For many of us this is what we want. Get on board.


Silverbullet

Since the Apex has a new front end and shocks I think we should reserve coments on the cornering abilities untill someone actually rides one

I couldn't have said it better. Of course try getting that through to some of the pretentious wads on this site who think they know all that is yamaha...

 

[QCRider]

Kenlacy

Yamanator - so are you one of those Yami Sheep that believes they should not be criticized? But you just said you criticized them last year?

How would I be a sheep if I was saying a while ago that Doo had it right with the rider forward position... The definition of a sheep is one who takes whatever their manufacturer hands them and accepts it. All I've ever said is that diversity is a good thing. I have no problem with you old timers having your sunday drive distance cruisers. If you want to drive like you're riding on an Amtrak train go right ahead. Just give me the opportunity to have that "ditch banger." That is what frustrates me. Yamaha broke into a new demographic and instead of supporting it ALONG with asking for trail cruisers, they only whine and cry. Of course I can only laugh now for the crow they are eating from before (those lake cruisers) and saying that "we don't need a ditch banger."


Kenlacy

Ever ride a Rev or F-cat - both require a lot more work in the corners while trail riding to get them to perform. That is fine when on a snow cross track or on moguled trails - it is not necessary otherwise.

I've ridden both several times. Handling is effected by rider forward position? That's a myth, something that is perpetuated by people who just jump on them once or twice and don't know how to adapt to the new ergonomics.



Kenlacy

I have known three people now with Rev's, 3 have sold them and gone back to Pols and another to an RX-1. The ones that sold them did not like riding in that position a majority of the time. 1 of them did.

Yay you know 3 people. I also know several people who switched to Doo and absolutely love them. Your point?



Kenlacy

Rider forward is generally for Snocross, ditchbangin and horsecrap trails.

With a keen sense of the obvious. Apparently it's never occurred to you that some of us are fans of snowcross (and want yamaha to get back into it) or that we enjoy a hard ride of ditchbanging every now and then. Yamaha has realized this and is treating us. For many of us this is what we want. Get on board.


Silverbullet

Since the Apex has a new front end and shocks I think we should reserve coments on the cornering abilities untill someone actually rides one

I couldn't have said it better. Of course try getting that through to some of the pretentious wads on this site who think they know all that is yamaha...

You should hope not to meet some of us in bar sometime. You are punk. Period, end of story.

 

[kenlacy]

Yamanator - you really don't get it do ya?

I compliment Yami for their diversity.

I love watching snowcross.

I beat the hell out of my sleds and do plenty of Ditchbangin - even with my heavy #*$&@ RX-1 and it does just fine for me.

However, I do more time on trails and lakes than I do ditchbangin. And the high speed sability and cornering stability are more important to me - both of which you lose some of when you go higher and more forward - it is simple physics and riding is not necessary to know this - and importantly because the Revs and F-cats have proven it.

I have spent quite a bit of time on F-7's and Revs and if you honestly don't believe that it takes more work on those sleds in the corners than the XC, ZR, old MXZ, SRX or RX chassis than your smokin somethin.

XC's handle better than Pro-x's, ZR's handle better than F-7's and the Old MXZ handles better than the Rev's - in all areas but rough trail and ditchbangin.

Your assumptions that people who like good wind protection are old - is funnier than hell to me. I guess I equate it more with common sense.

 

[impalapower]

I couldn't have said it better. Of course try getting that through to some of the pretentious wads on this site who think they know all that is yamaha...

You should hope not to meet some of us in bar sometime. You are punk. Period, end of story.

Amen QC! I'm with you brother!

 

[Xtremeviper]

Kenlacy,

Take the time and set up a rev for your riding style. It is NOT more effort then a Yammy to ride. It is in fact just the opposite. I have been a Yammy guy for 20 plus years, and the seating position on the rev is far superior unless you are into touring smooth trails. Guess what? They dont stay smooth!!

I think the Rev gives up a few things, but it is father ahead than the Yammies in a lot of comfort issues.

The rider forward position is truly more comfy for aggresive riders period. The old style is suited for the touring crowd. Until Yammy loses 70 lbs and puts your big fat but in front of the center point of the rear skid, doo will be better. they are close, but not enough to get my dollar back...yet.

 

[QCRider]

Xtreme, where I ride the trails stay smooth.

I can absolutely see why someone would like the REV style riding position, I get it. In fact if I rode anywhere other than Quebec, I would be all over it, but I'm telling you, up there the REV is not king. The RX-1 is.

 

[kenlacy]

Extremeviper - Tell me why die hard Doo fans will say that the old MXZ chassis handles better in the trails then? The reason why is simple - lower center of gravity. All you have to do is turn and lean. With the Rev when you come into a corner at a high rate you are working the bars a lot more to get that sled to go through the corner as well as the old chassis. There is also more roll - that is why you get more ski lift with the Rev and F-cats vs the others.

There is no doubt it handles the nastier bumps with less effort because of the rider positioning- but for me - the tradeoff is not worth it. I have no problem setting up my suspension and man-handling the sled. For the spaghetti armed kids - thats a whole different story.

And for your info - the M-10 and Monoshock - handle even the nastier stuff just about as good as the Rev does, just requires a little more umph. Rev has the edge there, but not by a lot.

 

[QCRider]

A lot of you guys will tell me that I am full of it for what I am about to tell you, but it is the truth and I had several witnesses throughout the season to verify it.

The first year of the REV every single one that I saw at the Hotel we ride from came back damaged at some point in the winter. Most of them blew corners. Now there are some legitimate reasons for that. My understanding is that riding at speed on the REV does not feel as fast, so many were not used to it and simply went into the corners too fast. Whatever the reason, I swear that I saw at least 10 - 15 of them damaged that winter, several totalled. So maybe it's because of the sensation of speed, and maybe they just don't corner as well.

 

[Yamahnator]

QCrider

You should hope not to meet some of us in bar sometime.

And what? You're going to beat me? Whip the proverbial manhood out and show who's boss? Over a difference of opinion on an internet forum? How special.

Seek help my friend.

 

[Sasquatch]

It has nothing to do with "respecting elders." Not when those "elders" whine about every little detail. You completely missed the point of the post (perhaps you need adjust your bifocals), which was addressed to QCrider. Certain members on the boards here don't like the new changes and have openly bashed them. MY point was that these changes are a good thing. It will create more customers. My "sit by the fire" post was in jest and more good natured ribbing than anything. I had been meaning to post a thread on the main forums here however about this new demographic that yamaha is going after. People should support it not complain about every little thing.

Ahhh my post was in jest as well and you missed the point also. Its not hard to see that Yami is going after a more youthfull crowd. You bashed and whined for rider forward so now we elders are only following suit and your youthfull lead in an endevour for more windprotection. Why or how that becomes complaining about every little thing I'm not sure.

Besides you know how old folks are they get cranky when they don't have thier comfort.

:cry:

 

[kenlacy]

And what? You're going to beat me? Whip the proverbial manhood out and show who's boss? Over a difference of opinion on an internet forum? How special.

Somehow I doubt it would be over a difference of opinion - but rather a lack of decency and respect. But I would also guess face to face you probably wouldn't talk like that - computers seem to make some peope more mouthy than they normally are.

 

[Sasquatch]

With a keen sense of the obvious. Apparently it's never occurred to you that some of us are fans of snowcross (and want yamaha to get back into it) or that we enjoy a hard ride of ditchbanging every now and then. Yamaha has realized this and is treating us. For many of us this is what we want. Get on board.

Two things. Some and many is not a majority so why would we have to get on board?

and Yami has not built a snowcross sled yet.

I d like to see Yami back in snowcross but the 06 Apex is not a snowcrosser. IMHO. I'd say its still a cruiser that has been given way better big bump capabilitys due to suspension and ergo's.

If this is what you have been waiting for then I'm happy for you. I'm also happy for me as it has some things I want as well.

Now Yami may build a snowcross sled yet and when they do I will rejoice as long as its not at the cost of the railbed cruiser slash lake racer. This is where Cat and Doo both made thier mistake and why I bought a Yami.

 

[QCRider]

Somehow I doubt it would be over a difference of opinion - but rather a lack of decency and respect. But I would also guess face to face you probably wouldn't talk like that - computers seem to make some peope more mouthy than they normally are.

Just another case of internet bravery.