FX Nytro RTX vs. 2013 f1100 Turbo trying to decide

[raginyamaha]

They are crazy fast sleds right out of the box and sound amazing. !

Nytro sounds waaaayyy better than the cat. Cat sounds like a lawnmower going down the trail.....

 

[low slung]

The latest SNOWTECH had good things to say about the nytro with the new ski design for 2013.Much better handling from what they say.They also said the Turbo cat is very nose heavy in the deep snow(don,t let of the trottle :exc: ).

 

[couch]

Pick up a used / holdover 09 / 09 Nytro and drop a proper skid / track in it + front end - handling should then be comparable and at a lower price that the Cat.

Not sure why anyone other than the mountain / high altitude riders need the boost - stock nytro pulls very hard to begin with . .....

Depending on your location there's boosted nytros with better front and rear suspensions available for under $12 / $13 k ....

 

[bottlerocket]

Resale would be for the yamaha but fun factor without fixing a bunch of stuff is the turbo cat. I would get the cat if I was you. Dont ask me the same question though as i would prefer my nytro for now....

 

[yamajammer76]

The latest SNOWTECH had good things to say about the nytro with the new ski design for 2013.Much better handling from what they say.They also said the Turbo cat is very nose heavy in the deep snow(don,t let of the trottle :exc: ).

I am not sure about the weight difference, but I can tell you at the dealership where I bought my Nytro they also sell AC. Just by lifting on the skis of each the front of the Nytro seemed to me to be a lot lighter then the 4 stroke Cats... Especially the turbo ones.

The Cat will have better handling with it's newer chassis, however after a close inspection I decided to stay with Yamaha. The fit and finish of the carryover XF 1100 (non turbo) was severely lacking. There were pieces and parts on that snowmobile that didn't fit well and when you really start looking it over closely the Yamaha just looks like a far better built product. Now of course panel gaps and nasty looking wire and cable routing under the hood might not bother many people and might not effect the product, but when I am paying the price they want for these new sleds I demand world class workmanship and assembly.

I always try and support USA companies when I can and I drive an American vehicle, but when I look down on my new Nytro and see Made in Japan on the side panel I know that means quality. Might be sad, but it's true.

 

[603NytroXTX]

I bought Yamaha because I`d rather put my money(when i have extra) into mods in the off season, than have to spend the money to repair my sled during the season.

Very well put. Couldnt have said it better myself.

 

[joelkness]

Get the ac and see how many recall notices you get. Get the nytro and you can expect many years do dependability.

 

[00-NUKE]

I guess my biggest fear with the AC is reliability. My last new sled had two engines pop and a sled fire. Had that not happened I prob wouldnt be so gun shy.

If reliability is what you are looking for - Bottom line for me is that Yamaha stands behind their product.

Before I bough my first Nytro, I picked up a 06 crossfire w/18 miles on it (Demo Sled). Arctic Cat gave me a 6 month warranty with it. 7 months and 1,200 miles later, the engine locked up and AC would not do a thing about it.

After that I bought my first Nytro (08). Unfortunately, I was stupid and installed an aftermarket oil filter which is longer. Having that oil filter in it I sustained some impact damage, causing the oil filter to leak and BOOM went the motor 2 months out of warranty. It was a fight with the insurance company to prove that it was impact damage that caused this. During my fight with the insurance company, I got a hold of the regional technician for Yamaha Motor Corp. He said that if the insurance doesn't cover the repair, that Yamaha would, being the sled is just out of warranty.

End result - The Regional Tech from Yamaha Motor Corp talked to my insurance company explaining that the loss of oil pressure caused the meltdown, and my insurance company finally covered it.

Thank You Yamaha!

 

[relbus]

Wow. Some great responses that really got me thinking.

Reliability is number one for me. The more I read the more I think maybe my first choice, the Nytro, is still the right choice.

 

[Apex2006]

I bought Yamaha because I`d rather put my money(when i have extra) into mods in the off season, than have to spend the money to repair my sled during the season.

Spot on!!!!

 

[SledFreak]

Turn Key... sled for sled, the NYtro will be more reliable. The Turbo motor is very reliable... Thats not the issue, its the rest of the sled that has reliability issues. BUT..... It can be tweaked to make it very dependable as well as stupid fast. If you are a trail rider/lake racer, its the sled to get IMO. The 2013 sled is the one to get as most issues will be resolved for the cat. Every sled has its issues of some type... It all depends how much you want to spend to get it to your liking..

 

[pro116]

People mention the recalls.Yes last years had recalls but atleast it was out of cats pocket.Not putting yamaha down but look all the issue the nytro owners had to fork out of there own pockets.
2008 foront end geometry issues.updated subframe which most get tweaked from normal riding.Handwarmers not working.

They all have there flaws but it seems the other manufactures fix issues and yamaha the customer is left with the bill.

 

[Yamanimal]

Amsnows weight watching guide has the wet weight of a 2012 AC @646lb and a 2008 nytro @594lb.

 

[jonnytro]

i have a buddy that has a AC an it spent have the season in the shop it was like almost after every weeken he had to take it in. an also it ate belts evey 300 mile. 1 more thing the AC belt is $200 verses $60 for the yamah

 

[LJ 452]

While I like the new Cats, I will sy they had some issues that are not tolerable. I rode with many that had nomproblrms but obviously the problems exist. The tunnel is a great example of reactions from each company. Both Yamaha and 2012 Cats have tunnel icing issues, notice I say 2012, it appears Cat has fixed the issue, and is providing new tunnel kits to the customers FREE. Yes you have to have damage, let's face it if you want the kit it's easy to "have" damage. Point is after one season, cat is fixing an issue, Yamaha has had this issue for years, no kits, no fixes not even if you pay, bring it up to the rep and your the first person on the planet to have this issue. It's just plain frustrating.

With that, would I buy a new Cat. Well honestly, I would get an 800, probably not an 1100T, I think they may have to make a few chassis braces for the 1100T weight and power (especially when programming it). Would I buy a new Nytro, no, I would buy a used one that has some of the issues already fixed and pay half of new, then sell it after this season if the Cats perform as they are expected to.

A Nytro will perform decent, be reliable, and give you good belt life. If you want a ditch-banger, like to jump, or want it to handle like the Cat, well it's going to take buckets of time, money, and adjusting. You will likely not get it dialed in one season, you will likely need new skis, shocks (at least rears) and front end parts. After one season you'll need to put about six hundred in to the front end (stock OEM replacement parts only) for ball joints, upper heims, A-arm bushings, tie rod ends. All issues that have been around since 08'. The good news, the Nytros issues are all well known and documented, fixes for most are available, and typically do provide solid reliable replacement, so once it's done your good to go. Just don't think it's going to be a easy low cost sled. Motor, yes, chassis no. Not to mention after this season you are likely going to see a new Nytro, which means buyers will have a better choice, assuming they fix the issues with the chassis.

So, yes the Cat has issues, but they seem to be making good on them. They even gave belts and an additional year of coverage to last years buyers. You really can't say they aren't doing good for the people that bought them. Yes you are buying the unknown, and yes you'll have to put money into fixing other issues as they all have them. Fix the issues and you've got a very well handling, sled. Get the issues on the Nytro fixed and you've got a very reliable, ok handling sled. It's really as simple as that. Risk/reward.