NY_Nytro
TY 4 Stroke Master
redrx1rkt said:
You bought an 04 so you should have known from the reports of the 03 that it's handling wasn't the greatest.
I was slightly disappointed initially with my 05 warrior after coming from a ZR 900. While the power was close cornering wasn't and it took awhile to get use to it. I've got the hang of it now and it definitely requires more body english. Rough trail comfort is actually better with the Warrior as the ZR was pretty soft and bottomed easily.
The PA suspension has alot of adjustments so it's easy to mess up but with a little tweak here and there in small increments you can get it to ride OK, even in the turns. I think one of the problems is that the skid has too much transfer in stock settings which takes too much weight off the skis even under modest acceleration.
race24x
TY 4 Stroke Master
Hmmm alot of off track stuff. First you buy a Corvette and put 1.7 roller rockers in it a bigger throttle body change the gears and a cold air induction and gain about 50 HP then lower it better tires stiffer springs and it goes even better. There are hop up parts for everything out there including a kit with very small mods mostly exhaust to get 200 HP out of those damn MachZ's. I am sure he is just venting as I did when the suspension wouldnt handle my 260 Lb frame and kept bottoming out. I didnt think it handled that bad but I messed with mine put the biiger sway bad and links in so it would get rid of ski lift Now I am going with the Bender suspension. Hopefully this and a track when it wears out will make my sled nice not perfect but nice. I will have to admit the 06's are awsome but I dont want to plunk down 10 grand when my sled only has about 2600 miles on it. I expect to get 10,000 out of it before trading.
flyin-lowe
Veteran
I just purchased an 04 Warrior and know nothing about it. Everyone says I will love it. Does it have the same suspensiona and setup stock as the 03 RX1 or is it different. Just curious how my sled is going to handle.
DaveyBoy
TY 4 Stroke Guru
The 04 has some uddates like springs,swaybar,shocks are differeent also from what i read i beleive they lost 30lbs in o4 also u will need to adjust for ur rideing style and they updated to the ripsaw track to a must IMO
I think the big thing is with the 03 u cant really run it hard through real bumpy trails as it is alot of work and For trail rideing groomed trails it is good
I think the big thing is with the 03 u cant really run it hard through real bumpy trails as it is alot of work and For trail rideing groomed trails it is good
Red2003
TY 4 Stroke Guru
race24x said:
Thats not off track at all. He's pissed because he bought a "top of the line" sled that handles and rides like s&*t. The mods you mention to the Corvette aren't to make it handle and perform like a sports car should, it does that "out of the box". The Mach Z doesn't NEED a new exhaust to out perform every other stock sled out there. It does it "out of the box". Guys spent 11,000 on a Mach Z to be top dog, and they are. Not $4000.00 later after you've replaced half the sled, but now for no dollars more. Don't you get it???
nhrxrider
TY 4 Stroke Junkie
Well i take back what i said about the humor...I guess I was wrong. All I can say, is that I agree that for a $10,000 sled, it should have been better. but nothing is perfect. Can you name ANY other sled that is perfect? The big thing right now are the Revs. But riders complain of the comfort, and unless you are going full bore down a mogul-covered trail, you are out of it's element. They have engine problems, etc. I don't think paying $10,000 means its going to be an absolutely perfect sled...I think the extra money covers the cost required to put that motor in our state-of-the-art chassis and end up with an extremely long lasting, reliable sled. Can you name ANY other brand that can EASILY go 10,000+ miles without a hickup? I don't mind doing a bit of suspension work (although i had a few complaints about that), because I know the sled is worth it. its better than investing $2000 into the engine of a 2-smoke, and wondering if your money is going to be wasted when it blows up in a month.
If you really stop to think about it, I think our sleds are quite a bargain. In the automotive world, prices vary a LOT more than they do for sleds. You can't have a REAL sports car for a couple grand more than a basic family sedan...what makes you think you can have Porsche level engineering for the same as a Hyundai? I tried a friend's F-7 last year. You want complaints? It was so bad that even though my sled was down (battery not charging), I refused to take it for a day when he offered it to me. I tried it out, and it rattled, shook, and vibrated something fierce. It made strange noises I've never seen with my RX (or even my old ZRT, for that matter). I would be extremely ticked if I paid the price Cat charges for their kick-butt sled, just to get home and have something like that.
So would it be great if our sleds were perfect? Sure. But they aren't. BUT...at least they are the best all-around sleds on snow. Where else can you get more reliability than any other sled out there, the performance of the muscle sleds, and the comfort of a touring sled?
Jim
If you really stop to think about it, I think our sleds are quite a bargain. In the automotive world, prices vary a LOT more than they do for sleds. You can't have a REAL sports car for a couple grand more than a basic family sedan...what makes you think you can have Porsche level engineering for the same as a Hyundai? I tried a friend's F-7 last year. You want complaints? It was so bad that even though my sled was down (battery not charging), I refused to take it for a day when he offered it to me. I tried it out, and it rattled, shook, and vibrated something fierce. It made strange noises I've never seen with my RX (or even my old ZRT, for that matter). I would be extremely ticked if I paid the price Cat charges for their kick-butt sled, just to get home and have something like that.
So would it be great if our sleds were perfect? Sure. But they aren't. BUT...at least they are the best all-around sleds on snow. Where else can you get more reliability than any other sled out there, the performance of the muscle sleds, and the comfort of a touring sled?
Jim
RX-Dave
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I would agree, for the price that Yamaha is garnishing, yes, there is some dissapointment.
My issues with my 05:
Poor Front Skis
VERY Conservative Clutching
Skid Durability
I think the skid was a JOKE IMO, especially after putting a 05 Warrior skid in it. The ride is as good or better, I have greese fittings, and at least 10% (More like 20%) less drag than the Mono.
Did they update the mono? Yea, with grease fitttings, but my guess is you will see as many or more broken stuff on the 06.
What I broke:
Shock (Yamaha did not pay, list is $1100)
Spring ($240 I believe, I had to pay)
Rail Tips
Front W-Arm
Rear Arm (Yamaha would not pay, $285)
RA Cable
RA Boot
RA Adjuster
I think the concept is a good one, but they did not add any material other than some meat at the back of the rails for 06, and they were about the only thing I did NOT break.
And as far as drag goes, I went from 121 to 136", a longer track, that is a heavier track (7 lbs), and is taller (1.25 vs 1.375) and added at least 15 lbs in weight to the sled. And I ADDED almost 10 mph on top end. Clipping 120+ on the stock speedo with a long track.
The MONO has a TON of drag. Allot of rolling resistance. We had to gear down to get the clutches to shift all the way out with the mono. On the PA, I can run stock gearing and still shift out.
Any ProAction RX-1 in a drag race that is setup decent has a shot at the Apex, cause that skid scrubbs off so much speed.
My issues with my 05:
Poor Front Skis
VERY Conservative Clutching
Skid Durability
I think the skid was a JOKE IMO, especially after putting a 05 Warrior skid in it. The ride is as good or better, I have greese fittings, and at least 10% (More like 20%) less drag than the Mono.
Did they update the mono? Yea, with grease fitttings, but my guess is you will see as many or more broken stuff on the 06.
What I broke:
Shock (Yamaha did not pay, list is $1100)
Spring ($240 I believe, I had to pay)
Rail Tips
Front W-Arm
Rear Arm (Yamaha would not pay, $285)
RA Cable
RA Boot
RA Adjuster
I think the concept is a good one, but they did not add any material other than some meat at the back of the rails for 06, and they were about the only thing I did NOT break.
And as far as drag goes, I went from 121 to 136", a longer track, that is a heavier track (7 lbs), and is taller (1.25 vs 1.375) and added at least 15 lbs in weight to the sled. And I ADDED almost 10 mph on top end. Clipping 120+ on the stock speedo with a long track.
The MONO has a TON of drag. Allot of rolling resistance. We had to gear down to get the clutches to shift all the way out with the mono. On the PA, I can run stock gearing and still shift out.
Any ProAction RX-1 in a drag race that is setup decent has a shot at the Apex, cause that skid scrubbs off so much speed.
race24x
TY 4 Stroke Master
Dont get me wrong I am a chevy fan I have 2 Z28's but the Corvette is a good car but not neccesarily the best with some small additions it can be better. Just like our sled you have to try and please everyone from Grandpa who just wanted not to have to put oil in the sled and to the guy that wants to be the fastest on the lake and the guy that wants to rip through the trails mogul bashers etc Yes it cold be better I agree and if you are going to put those big keel skis on at the cost of 250 bucks per why not go 350 bucks per and get simmons????? Marketing and cost times thousands of sno machines is my guess I would love to see Yamaha take back all of the 03-05 sleds and give us the new model because thats what they should have built in the first place. Hell I would be happy with it if I got an 06 Mono upgrade for 250 bucks and trade in my old suspension. That was really the biggest complaint I had.
Red2003
TY 4 Stroke Guru
race24x said:
Well said
8" carbides on the front 196 picks in the back, Stock everything else for 3 yrs. that sled smoked everything it ran against. learn to ride her bicycled through the turns thats when the front bites. She has dusted everything and now another week and she will be reborn a "SuperStalker".
The Apex is fast and confident but I owe toooooo much on her just yet to ride her like I stole it. the RX-1 on the other hand is going to reserved for when I feel extra randy.
New track, rear suspension, pipe, clutch and working on the wide front end kit and fox floats. LOOOOOOOOOOOOK OUT.
The Apex is fast and confident but I owe toooooo much on her just yet to ride her like I stole it. the RX-1 on the other hand is going to reserved for when I feel extra randy.
New track, rear suspension, pipe, clutch and working on the wide front end kit and fox floats. LOOOOOOOOOOOOK OUT.
QCRider
TY 4 Stroke Master
RX-Dave said:
All I can do here is relay my own experience. Which is that my '05 Mono RA will not break 100 MPH on my GPS. 113 Speedo, 99-100 GPS, that's it.
Now I am going to try some different suspension setups this winter, but there is no way I will ever see some of the numbers I have seen on here. If I ever got to 110 it would blow my mind.
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Loved my RX-1, Loved the SRX before, The VMAX before that, and the SRV before that, and now I have an Apex. Maybe you should try a Ski-Donkey.
redrx1rkt
Expert
Lots of input here. I laughed at some of the smart a$$ posts, particularly the maxi pad or Depends, or whatever that genius was cracking at.
I am a little more calm today. Is the RX-1 a bad sled? Hell, no. It has a great motor and superior build quality, and I wouldn't be afraid to do a 2000 mile loop in Canada with mine, which has 6800 miles on it.
By the way, my sled is a 2004...some posters are referring to it as an '03. I waited a year on purpose before buying, considering the new technology.
Even since my first ride in Old Forge during break-in, this sled has been a chore to ride. I pushed this sled to its limits in Quebec a few years ago, running 60-70 mph in turns and 90 in the straightaways. After 20 miles, me and the guy I rode with stopped. I was soaking wet with sweat and exhausted. My pal with his Ski-Poop barely broke a sweat. And that was with the limiter straps pulled the way up. If I tried that with it set-up stock, I would've been tree climbing on the first curve.
I am not going to continue to whine, my case has been made. To those of you yelling that I shouldn't be another Yammi just because I am complaining, well, that shows who the true crybabies are. You can't take some criticism about the sled you've been bragging about for the past two or three years, emphasizing the great motor over the many shortcomings in handling, ride, storage, etc. You don't like to see a loyal Yammi owner (2 dirtbikes, ATV, 2 WaveRunners, 2 outboards, 2 sleds) bashing what he considers his own flesh and blood. Too bad, what I say is true, and I am willing to bet that you damn well know it. The RX-1 can ride conservatively all day in Quebec, get 20 mpg, and you would think it was the greatest machine ever made. Run into some rough trails, or try to run with your fast paced buddies and the RX-1 falls way short in stock form. Even all the guys here who defend their RX-1s have done something to them, in some cases, they've done LOTS to them.
It's true there's no perfect sled, but the new Yammis show you how much better the RX-1 could've been. Aside from the motor, the RX-1 is basically a sled on par with a mid-90s sled. Outdated.
Why do you think Yammi dropped the RX-1 nameplate, except in Europe, for the new lineup? Sagging sales and a growing bad rep. for all I've highlighted are why. They knew the weight of this sled was bogging not just its loyal riders, but the company's reputation on the snow. That's why the RX-1 lasted a whole three model years...a very short life for a Yammi model of any type.
All this being said, I still don't know if I am going to trade in. It's a big money proposition. Also, my dealer only has two Attaks left, both blue. I want a red one. Not to mention, this is the first year for the Attak. Should I wait for the updated '07 in just a few months? That, I don't know yet.
I am a little more calm today. Is the RX-1 a bad sled? Hell, no. It has a great motor and superior build quality, and I wouldn't be afraid to do a 2000 mile loop in Canada with mine, which has 6800 miles on it.
By the way, my sled is a 2004...some posters are referring to it as an '03. I waited a year on purpose before buying, considering the new technology.
Even since my first ride in Old Forge during break-in, this sled has been a chore to ride. I pushed this sled to its limits in Quebec a few years ago, running 60-70 mph in turns and 90 in the straightaways. After 20 miles, me and the guy I rode with stopped. I was soaking wet with sweat and exhausted. My pal with his Ski-Poop barely broke a sweat. And that was with the limiter straps pulled the way up. If I tried that with it set-up stock, I would've been tree climbing on the first curve.
I am not going to continue to whine, my case has been made. To those of you yelling that I shouldn't be another Yammi just because I am complaining, well, that shows who the true crybabies are. You can't take some criticism about the sled you've been bragging about for the past two or three years, emphasizing the great motor over the many shortcomings in handling, ride, storage, etc. You don't like to see a loyal Yammi owner (2 dirtbikes, ATV, 2 WaveRunners, 2 outboards, 2 sleds) bashing what he considers his own flesh and blood. Too bad, what I say is true, and I am willing to bet that you damn well know it. The RX-1 can ride conservatively all day in Quebec, get 20 mpg, and you would think it was the greatest machine ever made. Run into some rough trails, or try to run with your fast paced buddies and the RX-1 falls way short in stock form. Even all the guys here who defend their RX-1s have done something to them, in some cases, they've done LOTS to them.
It's true there's no perfect sled, but the new Yammis show you how much better the RX-1 could've been. Aside from the motor, the RX-1 is basically a sled on par with a mid-90s sled. Outdated.
Why do you think Yammi dropped the RX-1 nameplate, except in Europe, for the new lineup? Sagging sales and a growing bad rep. for all I've highlighted are why. They knew the weight of this sled was bogging not just its loyal riders, but the company's reputation on the snow. That's why the RX-1 lasted a whole three model years...a very short life for a Yammi model of any type.
All this being said, I still don't know if I am going to trade in. It's a big money proposition. Also, my dealer only has two Attaks left, both blue. I want a red one. Not to mention, this is the first year for the Attak. Should I wait for the updated '07 in just a few months? That, I don't know yet.
