Why would you go to all the problem of changing the grips (Yamahas miracle fix again) when you can have Rocks plug and play system,and yes it works!!! Thanks Rock for grip warmers that works.
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well if it is the same as RSI, heres a thread about them, sounds like good stuff to me. http://www.ty4stroke.com/viewtopic.php? ... handwarmer
Im not saying rocks kit doesn't work. but if you can get something right from your yam dealer that works good, and is less then 1/2 the price, no drilling holes, no toggle switches, just use your stock controls and thats it, i say why not?
Im not saying rocks kit doesn't work. but if you can get something right from your yam dealer that works good, and is less then 1/2 the price, no drilling holes, no toggle switches, just use your stock controls and thats it, i say why not?
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It' will be interesting to see if they have the same wiring options as the RSI's from that thread. My guess is they are RSI's made for Yamaha and are a single resistance unlike the ones in the other thread.
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I would like to see this bulletin.
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We shouldn't be so negetive at this first news on this as we don't know what this kit is it seems with out the bulletin.
But like I said if it's less then half the price and works at 30% more then this is good news.
Pesonally I might not even be able to swing $85 so I'll have to live with it like I have been. I have nice fleece lined gauntlets now that I carry at all times so why spend $175 or even $85..I've got so many other things I need more.
But like I said if it's less then half the price and works at 30% more then this is good news.
Pesonally I might not even be able to swing $85 so I'll have to live with it like I have been. I have nice fleece lined gauntlets now that I carry at all times so why spend $175 or even $85..I've got so many other things I need more.
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The picture looks just like the RSI product and it has three wires just like the RSI.
Personally I bought Rock's Yamaheater and will try it this year. The nice thing about Rock's Yamaheater is that it can be controlled by Snowdog's Sled Start (which I also bought) so that when remote starting your sled your grips will automatically be on high regardless of where they were set when you last shut off the sled.
Personally I bought Rock's Yamaheater and will try it this year. The nice thing about Rock's Yamaheater is that it can be controlled by Snowdog's Sled Start (which I also bought) so that when remote starting your sled your grips will automatically be on high regardless of where they were set when you last shut off the sled.
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I'd be skeptical, even if they do call it an upgraded warmer kit. You ask why they would sell a kit that didn't work? Well, it can work 10% better and they can claim it works - right? The bottom line is this, if they can sell a 10 thousand dollar GD sled that has deficient hand warmers, they sure as heck can market a product to make a few more dollars, even if it doesn't work like Rocks. I just don't understand how they can sell a hi-tech sled like these '09 and 10 Vectors, Apexs, and Nytro's are, and have customers complaining all over the place about faulty hand warmers. Frankly, I think this is black mark number one for me as a new Yamaha owner.
30% more output is good, but if that's all you get, I might still be inclined to go with the Rockmeister kit.
30% more output is good, but if that's all you get, I might still be inclined to go with the Rockmeister kit.
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Hi Guys!
Don't really want to get into a tit for tat discussion, just want to point out a few facts.
Yamaha is at least heading in the right direction, they are doing something to try to rectify the heaters.
We can thank them for that.
And Yamaha is NOT alone.
I spoke with several people today at the Hastings MSA Outdoor Show riding EVERY brand of sled.
They all have some issues with warmers, and like Yamaha, it varies from model to model.
The warmers like anything else can be "fixed" many different ways.
While I don't fully agree with the exact way this fix is approached, it at least tries to fix it.
A few things about the current "fix'.
Percentages can be funny things...
While 30% sounds good, in real numbers it is actually very small.
At idle most of the 4-strokes put out less than 10% total power even though the grips are set to Max.
(Some are zero or near zero.)
That means that if your grips are 38Watts at full power, at idle, they are 3.8 watts or less.
A 30% increase from 10% gets you to 13% power at idle. (30% of 10% added to the power.)
Meaning a 30% increase adds 1.14W for a total of 4.94 Watts.
If the ECU outputs zero or near zero as many do, a 30% increase is meaningless.
30% of zero is zero.
The end result is, with the new kit, you will still start out every ride with cold grips same as in the past.
Will it catch up fast enough before you freeze?
(Or catch up at all?)
Can't answer that yet. Time will tell.
While the stock ECU outputs approx 10% at idle, when the YAMAHEATER is set to High Heat (using the stock controls), it outputs 1000% more power. (yes, that is correct 1000%, that means 10 times the output.)
When you compare that in percentages, it is 30% increase compared to 1000% increase in real power to your hands.
What all this means is, you start out every single ride with Warm Hands with the YAMAHEATER, and they stay Warm throughout the ride.
The way I see it, when I push a button to tell my grips to get warm, they should get warm, and do it right away.
A few notes on the YAMAHEATER.
You do not have to mount the LED or the switch.
I recommend mounting the LED as it provides very useful information to you(allows you to keep your eyes on the trail), but you don't have to, the factory bar graph in the pod will tell you the same info, but requires you to take your eyes off the trail to read it.
The switch can simply be ty-wrapped in a convenient location under the hood as you will almost never use it.
You use the existing factory controls to control your Warm Hands Controller.
You use the existing factory grips, no need to cut your grips or anything else to install.
If cost is an issue and you are willing to do a little work, we offer a lower cost option for those on a tight budget.
(Am a sledder also, and do not have un-limited money, know exactly how it goes!)
Connecting a few wires is usually much easier than cutting up your grips.
(Also have an occasional factory second that is fully functional that I can sell at a discount, just keep checking back with me.)
A final thought.
The new grips combined with a Warm Hands Controller WILL provide some SERIOUS Hot Grips, starting at idle & throughout your ride with the push of a button.
Hope this helps!
Rockmeister
PS You can get a FREE YAMAHEATER, see the "Pay It Forward" thread and participate. (A REALLY good deal for those on a tight budget!)
Don't really want to get into a tit for tat discussion, just want to point out a few facts.
Yamaha is at least heading in the right direction, they are doing something to try to rectify the heaters.
We can thank them for that.
And Yamaha is NOT alone.
I spoke with several people today at the Hastings MSA Outdoor Show riding EVERY brand of sled.
They all have some issues with warmers, and like Yamaha, it varies from model to model.
The warmers like anything else can be "fixed" many different ways.
While I don't fully agree with the exact way this fix is approached, it at least tries to fix it.
A few things about the current "fix'.
Percentages can be funny things...
While 30% sounds good, in real numbers it is actually very small.
At idle most of the 4-strokes put out less than 10% total power even though the grips are set to Max.
(Some are zero or near zero.)
That means that if your grips are 38Watts at full power, at idle, they are 3.8 watts or less.
A 30% increase from 10% gets you to 13% power at idle. (30% of 10% added to the power.)
Meaning a 30% increase adds 1.14W for a total of 4.94 Watts.
If the ECU outputs zero or near zero as many do, a 30% increase is meaningless.
30% of zero is zero.
The end result is, with the new kit, you will still start out every ride with cold grips same as in the past.
Will it catch up fast enough before you freeze?
(Or catch up at all?)
Can't answer that yet. Time will tell.
While the stock ECU outputs approx 10% at idle, when the YAMAHEATER is set to High Heat (using the stock controls), it outputs 1000% more power. (yes, that is correct 1000%, that means 10 times the output.)
When you compare that in percentages, it is 30% increase compared to 1000% increase in real power to your hands.
What all this means is, you start out every single ride with Warm Hands with the YAMAHEATER, and they stay Warm throughout the ride.
The way I see it, when I push a button to tell my grips to get warm, they should get warm, and do it right away.
A few notes on the YAMAHEATER.
You do not have to mount the LED or the switch.
I recommend mounting the LED as it provides very useful information to you(allows you to keep your eyes on the trail), but you don't have to, the factory bar graph in the pod will tell you the same info, but requires you to take your eyes off the trail to read it.
The switch can simply be ty-wrapped in a convenient location under the hood as you will almost never use it.
You use the existing factory controls to control your Warm Hands Controller.
You use the existing factory grips, no need to cut your grips or anything else to install.
If cost is an issue and you are willing to do a little work, we offer a lower cost option for those on a tight budget.
(Am a sledder also, and do not have un-limited money, know exactly how it goes!)
Connecting a few wires is usually much easier than cutting up your grips.
(Also have an occasional factory second that is fully functional that I can sell at a discount, just keep checking back with me.)
A final thought.
The new grips combined with a Warm Hands Controller WILL provide some SERIOUS Hot Grips, starting at idle & throughout your ride with the push of a button.
Hope this helps!
Rockmeister
PS You can get a FREE YAMAHEATER, see the "Pay It Forward" thread and participate. (A REALLY good deal for those on a tight budget!)
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My dealer said he hasnt seen the bulletin yet only in the states.darv said:
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The way I see it is this... They sent out the crappy fix in 07 for the 06 Apex bars and it was a joke and it was 30.00 bucks or free. Can't remember. It did F&^% All. Why should we believe this will work, especially when Chris from Canadian Yamaha Blog said to me in his blog that we could not adapt the parts to the 09's from the 2010 because it consisted of a different ECU and stator and would cost alot of money. So this upgrade to me is half the fix?
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Just get the Yamaheater and forget about ever having cold hands again! The bars get extremely hot at idle. That is right, at idle RPM's!
I have yet to test mine riding but I expect that I will only use the Yamaheater full heat to start out with in the morning or after a pit stop and then go back to a factory setting while riding.
I have yet to test mine riding but I expect that I will only use the Yamaheater full heat to start out with in the morning or after a pit stop and then go back to a factory setting while riding.
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SledFreak said:
Well tell Chris to do his HOMEWORK 'cuz I was told by a YAM tech that the STATOR is the same as previous models! they have somewhat revised HANDWARMERS with no more juice than previous models, the only ones that have changed are in the 3 holers, RS Vector and FX Nytro's...
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i must have gotten a few good sleds - my 07 fx, sons 06 nytro and my 09 rtx all had good warmers - not as hot as my viper, but still adequate - much better with a high windshield. My son had his nytro bars replaced on a recall, but my buddy put the old nytro bars on his polaris indy and they would melt snow on contact when turned on high.
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apltx08 said:
I thought so too, I didn't see anything in the Yamaha literature stating that the new models comes with a stronger magneto output, just a redesigned warmer. Looking at the Yamaha microfiches, there is no difference in the part numbers for the magnetos on the 2010s.
