ice ripper durability

[rightarm]

That endevour didn't last long eh KA, bet you're glad you kept that Yami welcome back

 

[low slung]

A rider here this past winter had a turbo 4 stroke cat(2009 model)with a 240hp kit,sounded like a cross between a loud lawn mower and a airplane :exc: .

 

[KnappAttack]

That endevour didn't last long eh KA, bet you're glad you kept that Yami welcome back

Ya, I am glad the Attak didn't sell. I'd still try a Ski-Doo though if it came with more power. I knew I made a mistake when my neighbors stock RX-1 could outrun the Cat in stock form. Even after I set the boondocker up over 280HP and methanol injection active, I couldn't outrun his 195 HP CPR turbo sled. Cat's clutches are screwed running that piece of crap diamond drive! Angles are all wrong on them, and the build quality on the Cat is shameful. Hope Yamaha steps to the plate next season with their 180HP 4 cylinder!

 

[SledFreak]

If ski-doo brings out an H.O version of the 1200, then Yamaha will need more than the 170-180 4 banger heavy Apex to keep people happy. As much as I love the sound of that motor, they need to go to the 3 cylinder to help keep the weight down. My other fear is this... If the economy does not improve enough for Yamaha to release this new sled for 2011, then they will probably scrap what they have now and go back to the drawing board, because it will now be outdated. This will now put them back even farther out for a new release date, just like what happened in the late 80's to early 90's. They had the same sleds for almost 10 years.

Doo will either release their Supercharged/turbo sled or release a N/A 1200 with 160-170hp in a 3 cylinder or both. My Doo dealer told me when they went to the dealer show in Vegas that alot of the engineers their said that motor is capable of 180-200hp in N/A forum.

Knapp, I also can't believe you would buy one of those piece of junks. As good as they handle, they are the biggest piece of junk on the planet. My buddies F1000 handles awesome, but you could not pay me enough to even buy one and he loves it. My Apex would beat it in stock forum and when he had just the y-pipe and airbox mods and clutching. He changed alot since then and I just could not beat it then. 2 sled lengths at most. It runs good now, but it took him alot of money and time to get it to go. Plus the break downs... It broke down 3 times on him where it was layed up for a month each time, trying to diagnose why it would not run right.

On another note on how his ran I think I may have been able to run beside it or beat it, but I ran out of time and I was tired of it of wrenching on it. Also, his sled would run better on loose snow, then mine with the Cobra track, against mine with a Cobra track. That was hard to over come.. I was only out by again 2 sled lengths. Better clutching/mainteance of my own clutches would have netted better results. But on hard ground is where the Apex shines and I really belive my 165hp would have beat his 195...

The Crossfire with all the add on mods is a very fast sled, but it's still a piece of junk and would be even faster without the diamond drive on it. This is why the 03 F7 is still raced today. One, because it does not have that junk diamond drive and two, because it's about 60lbs lighter then the original 06 F7 as well as other changes. Every year that sled just got heavier. That last part about the weight was quoted right from D&D. Go fgure..

 

[rightarm]

I would be happy with 170-180 hp Apex wouldn't need to go anywhere else,with the introduction of the 4 valve motor weight will be reduced.I would just hate to see the same thing happen to you SF if you switched to BRP as what happened to MK with the AC.

 

[SledFreak]

I will never buy another Cat, I did it once with AC in 2001 with a ZR 800. Sold it half way through the year and I will never do it again. I may buy another BRP, but that 1200 motor needs to come along way before that will happen, but it's good start. I'm on my second 4 stroke Yamaha in the last 4.5 years and Yamaha still needs to address some small quality issues. One being the hand warmers and the other with idler wheels. I'm very disappointed to see that my 2009 XTX still has junk hand warmers and I'm still have idler wheels. The dealer replaced 2 of them under warranty and it only has 851 miles on it. The other thing is the shocks. Yamaha makes AWESOME shocks. But the people who come up with the calibration should be Fired. It's sad when you have people at OHLINS tell me personally that they always tell/offer Yamaha the preferred shock calibration, but for some reason they choose to ignore the recommendations. It's sad when I had to have to re-valve my 09 XTX. I had to the same to my Apex. I'm only 165lbs and ride aggressively, but to the point where I should NOT have to do this. If I was a big person, I could see, but they valve for the average person 180-220lbs, so there is no excuse there. Don't get me wrong I really do like these sleds, but I don't believe we should always be having to address there short comings.

 

[rightarm]

Although your claims are valid,they are minor issue's which can be solved very easily as you stated,I do agree with you on the suspension calibration that Yamaha puts out,but a lot of there R&D is done on the tracks in Japan as well as the U.S and those racers are closer to your weight and lighter which would be perfect calibration for you.But the average North American trail rider falls in between the 180-220 pds mark as you stated and that's where Yamaha decided to calibrate there suspensions.I am really tempted by the 2010 Apex I feel that this most refined Apex yet,(re-buildable wheels,needle bearings in the new mono 2,anti-rachet drivers,new hand warmers,rear heat exchanger and a host of other improvements.Either way I feel that for 2010 Yamaha did listen to the consumer and produced an all around package,but time will tell.