little disapointed with what I saw today.

[STINKFINGER]

I'm ready for a 4 stroke yamaha. I think they are hands down the best snowmobile for your money. They simply have the most tech. and come with the best components money can buy as standard equipment.

I have a t-cat with a hooper 1100 top end that I have been doing double duty with since it was new. I'm tired lake racing one weekend and trail riding it the next. I'm tired of changing tracks,gears, and clutch parts. I have had a great relationship with the T it has never let me down in the 5000 miles I have ridden it. With that said the T will be lake race only. It time for a sweet trail sled, and i'm going with a yamaha.

Now for what I found to be very disapointed,and I know the 06's are supposed to be different so I'm keeping an open mind. I was at a local radar run. One that goes on every other weekend all winter long. This is a very nicely run and very organized event. There was a nice mix of hard core improved stock radar run sleds and right off the trail stock sleds.

I find the hardcore radar sleds cool , but the degree of money and time spent setting the sled up can very the result so much. What I find the most interesting is the right off the trail stock stuff. Most likely right off the showroom floor with a few hundred miles on them and some trail picks. These sleds are the ones to watch in my opinion if you want real world performance .

Ok i'll get to the point. I saw a right off the trail 05 600 sdi rev run 88 in a 1000 feet.

A few sleds later I saw a right off the trail 05 rx-1 run 88 in 1000 feet.

I saw this two times in a row. It really made me wonder where was all that 4-stroke torque. Why cant a virgin rx1 out accelerate a virgin 600 rev. ARE THESE SLEDS REALLY THAT SLOW.

For a few moments it made me ponder the thought of buying the new 06 apex gt I want to get. I do not want to spend close to 10k on a sled and then spend countless hours and more dollars to get it run right. I'm tired of that.

The bottom line is I'm still going to get the apex yamaha. Slow or not I will still be proud to own what I feel will be the nicest sled on snow.

 

[LooseCannon]

It's called TRACTION. The RX1 just rang the track out of the hole than began to hook. Getting all that torque to hook is sometimes difficult depending on the conditions. Trust me the 600 Rev just don't happen to run THAT good. It's all about getting traction

 

[Dano]

Don’t knock it till you try it! Try a 600 rev and jump on an RX-1 afterwards and you’ll know.

 

[Silverbullet]

After riding a mod T Cat for 4k miles I would think that anything short of a turbo might seem slow

 

[LooseCannon]

Don’t knock it till you try it! Try a 600 rev and jump on an RX-1 afterwards and you’ll know.

No desire...... but thanks for your advise anyhow!!
Don't get me wrong the 600 Rev runs decent but I've seen plenty beat by RX1's. Traction is the biggest key to getting the RX out of the whole without ringing the track!

 

[kenlacy]

Stock for Stock your gonna have most 600cc+ sleds take you inside of 1000 feet assuming traction is equal. The main reason is weight. There only 2 that will continue to hold a lead over you in a 1000 feet (Mach and ZR9).

With the new fuelies it will be a little different but hard to tell until they actually line em up.

 

[Dano]

Sorry LooseCannon, my post was directed to STINKFINGER (lol)
I was trying to say that the 600 feels like a 600 after riding the RX-1. Especially when you punch on it at 80!
If I can hook up in the first 100', I'm not the least worried of the little Revs

 

[buddah]

You also really n eed to know how many miles on the RX-1........ it's unbelieveable how much that engine loosens up with at least 2K mi. on it.

 

[Bakemono]

Like the others said, its hard to make an RX hook up because of all the torque.
If you want a sled that will be comfortable, ride nice, be fuel efficient and outlast any 2-stroke 5-1, then go with a Yamaha 4-stroke.
Personally, Im not a fan of rebuilds every 10,000 miles and the smoke/smell of a 2-stroke.
Stinkfinger, if you havent ridden a 4-stroke, you dont know what real torque is on a sled. People talk about their big twins being torquey, a big twin (even an 800) aint got nothin' on a Yamaha 4-stroke!
Hebi

 

[SuperStroker!]

I'm ready for a 4 stroke yamaha. I think they are hands down the best snowmobile for your money. They simply have the most tech. and come with the best components money can buy as standard equipment.

I have a t-cat with a hooper 1100 top end that I have been doing double duty with since it was new. I'm tired lake racing one weekend and trail riding it the next. I'm tired of changing tracks,gears, and clutch parts. I have had a great relationship with the T it has never let me down in the 5000 miles I have ridden it. With that said the T will be lake race only. It time for a sweet trail sled, and i'm going with a yamaha.

Now for what I found to be very disapointed,and I know the 06's are supposed to be different so I'm keeping an open mind. I was at a local radar run. One that goes on every other weekend all winter long. This is a very nicely run and very organized event. There was a nice mix of hard core improved stock radar run sleds and right off the trail stock sleds.

I find the hardcore radar sleds cool , but the degree of money and time spent setting the sled up can very the result so much. What I find the most interesting is the right off the trail stock stuff. Most likely right off the showroom floor with a few hundred miles on them and some trail picks. These sleds are the ones to watch in my opinion if you want real world performance .

Ok i'll get to the point. I saw a right off the trail 05 600 sdi rev run 88 in a 1000 feet.

A few sleds later I saw a right off the trail 05 rx-1 run 88 in 1000 feet.

I saw this two times in a row. It really made me wonder where was all that 4-stroke torque. Why cant a virgin rx1 out accelerate a virgin 600 rev. ARE THESE SLEDS REALLY THAT SLOW.

For a few moments it made me ponder the thought of buying the new 06 apex gt I want to get. I do not want to spend close to 10k on a sled and then spend countless hours and more dollars to get it run right. I'm tired of that.

The bottom line is I'm still going to get the apex yamaha. Slow or not I will still be proud to own what I feel will be the nicest sled on snow.

Stink... I highlighted your credentials above! You sound like a very interesting and extremely experienced snowmobile entheusiast, one who is fast, smart and clever...if you know what I mean?

Let me ask you, since you have what appears to be "significant background" with snowmobile technology, tracks and clutching, why is it you ask a question you already know the answer to?

Let me guess, you're so tired of wrenching on Hooper Cats, ( not that Hooper Cats are not fast or Hooper engines are not good, they are excellent engines and John Hooper is one great engine builder) that you will buy a sled (maybe an RTX, because its so hi-tech) and never touch the clutching or tune-up of that sled you're riding?

No flame, but here are the facts:

1- The Yamaha RX-1 is faster than a 600 Skidoo, but a real good Skidoo-600 against a real bad RX-1, will probably win every time! Yet you already know that, right?

2- The RTX 150FI will be faster than any other factory stock snowmibile, except for the Mach-Z in stock form next year and when clutched by a knowlegable tuner like yourself, will probably take the Mach-Z as well. Yet you already know that, right?

3- A well tuned trail turbo RX-1 is markedly faster than your Hooper 1100, in a factory chassis. Yet you know that as well.

4- A Yamaha Genesis 1000 open mod ran 4.06 and 128mph in 500' on grass, and officially set the record as the fastest sled to ever cover the 500 foot mark in a national grass drag racing event. Yet I'm sure you know that by now as well.

5- The fastest recorded asphalt pass in the history of asphalt drag racing, during an event was 8.4 @162mph and that was a full bodied RX-1 Turbo. I bet you know that as well.

6- An RX-1 won the Alcan! Did you know that?

7- An Rx-1 is the winningest sled in its prospective oval track class, with more records and more wins than any other brand. You may or may not be aware of this until now.

A sharp, seasoned tuner like you can kind of get my point from this, right?

So what was your concern? 8)

 

[STINKFINGER]

SUPER,
You give me too much credit. Yes I know a thing or two about tuning a clutch set up, but the more I do it the less i feel i know. Its truely a science of trial and era, and testing, testing and testing. Know what the best part about tuning a clutch set up on a 10 degree day with the wind blowing. The clutch parts are warm on your hands. Thats about it.

With the season so short, and winters not being what they used too, and add in a couple of little ones, and a wife that thinks I spend way to much money and time in the garage. I'm way beyond ready for a sled that I can turn the key and have instant enjoyment with no headache.

now about your reply. Yes i know what i was seeing wasn't supposed to be happening, yes traction played a big part of what i was seeing. I know if both sleds had speed tracks with an equal amount of picks the rx-1 should win. I know this. I have two ridding buddies with 2003 rx-1's. I have ridden them and found the motors to be addicting.

I'm having a real hard time not buying a machz and waiting for a 2006 apex. I can pick up a 05 Z for under 9k brand new, but i know this would be a mistake. I have a hard time letting go of this season and waiting for next.

I only have one correction on your reply. The 1100 T will hold off a trail turbo on low boost. I also know the guy on the turbo is not sweating the motor to melt down the longer we run. I'm also well aware of the power of a turbo charged motorcycle engine. I have had zx1100's when they were the "Fastest 2 wheeled vehicle on the planet" right out of the crate. I'm sure you have heard of MR. TURBO and his turbo charged bikes.

any way not sure what i'm trying to say other than . If i have to look at 600's,7 & 8's along side my new apex down the lake my ego (well in check at this piont in my life) is going to get a little brused and the wrenches and the wallet might want to come out to address the issue.

Again i will end my post with I've seen them all, I've ridden them all (Well almost all), and if i haven't raced them all , I've seen them race. I still feel the new yamaha's are the nicest piece of snowmobile you could put under your arse. I think yamaha should buy the rights to "Best on earth " from Honda.

I should also say that I'm a engineer for an aerospace manufacture. Not sure if this makes me interesting, but I would like to think this qualifys me to recognize a nicely put together piece of equipment beyond paint,seats, graphics, and handelbars.

 

[gnip134]

Hmm...thats strange.....

I beat up all the time on my buddies Renagade 600 H.O.
Races are not close either....we both have a 136"

 

[Bob Miller]

For what it's worth stinky I have an 04 Warrior and in stock form I was dead even in 3 races with an 04 Rev 800 HO :shock: The guy on the Rev could not believe it and asked if he could ride my Warrior, so we swapped And then I could not believe how bad I wanted to get off of the Rev and back on the Warrior. At that time I was seeing about 112 MPH on the speedo and it was about a 1 mile run.
After that trip I heard about changing the primary spring to the O/S/O Mountain spring and shimming the secondary with 5/16 lock washers for a very inexpensive ($16) and relatively easy change! To gain 5-600 RPM and the speedo is now seeing 123MPH

I now have 5700 hard driving trouble free miles with the original drive belt and hyfax and I was averaging about 14 MPG and the throttle is pegged most of the time 8) And I no longer smell like a chainsaw

 

[Bob Miller]

Hmm...thats strange.....

I beat up all the time on my buddies Renagade 600 H.O.
Races are not close either....we both have a 136"

My buddy and I put some 3k miles on together in Quebec and he has a Rage, and I was shocked how strong that sled ran, and how well it handled, and how good it was on gas, and how trouble free it was I think pound for pound the Vector and the Rage are the best that money can buy

 

[Vector1]

You should just ride a 600 Rev and then the RX-1, then deside if the RX-1 feels slow. The RX-1 will beat my Vector and my Vector will be the 600 Ski-Doo from start to finish. :ORC