new chev 3500 ?'s

[woolyviper]

i have an 06 F250 with a 6.0 and i use the sct tuner from MKM customs. i can get 21-22 on long trips and 11-12 pulling a 4 place enclosed. its a must if you have a diesel.

 

[yukon yamaha]

The dealership in town claims that this truck should get 18-24 highway and 14-16 intown with out a chip..... And i cant really chip or do up the exhaust untill warrenty if over..... I did notice that the urea tank sits low on these truck so i think skid plates will be in order.......

 

[AKrider]

Unless you are towing all the time or commuting over long distances, a diesel is not worth the additional money. Guys will say the engines last much longer but a truck with 150,000, 200,000 miles still has the same amount of miles gas or diesel. If you plan to keep your truck for that long, you can buy a remanufactured gas motor, drop it in and then the motor is brand new. The diesel truck will still have the same amount of miles on BOTH the chassis and engine.

In addition, oil changes and maintenance are more expensive for a diesel. I'm not anti-diesel, I just see lots of people buy them from the wrong reasons. I'm also not convinced the DEF is the best way to go. Dodge doesn't require it.

I also agree with what was mentioned previously, how can a truck that uses more fuel per mile be better for the environment? From what I've seen in the real world with diesel rigs my friends have, the older ones get better milage than the new ones. My two cents.

 

[yukon yamaha]

Agreed! I looked for an 2004-05 chev but like you say they are a better truck and beacuse of that there are very very few for sale. The ones that are have good reasons to be for sale...... This truck is mostly for hauling the camper on long distance trrips, summit trips and to haul the bobcat around from site to site
but mostly for toy hauling!!!

 

[Wertles]

Just my 2 cents and amature opinion here. I have a 2006 dodge 1 ton with a diesel. After towing many miles with it, I am never going back to a gasser. That being said, the initial cost and maintenance is much more substancial than the gas version. Unless you tow with one full time, you will not make back the additional money you spend on one with fuel economy savings. It usually takes about 20,000 miles or more to break in a diesel engine. I started out getting about 14 miles to the gallon and didn't start getting decent mileage until about 60,000 miles so be wary of people who say that spending money on modifications made a large jump in fuel economy. Time is a huge factor on getting these motors loosened up. That being said, the emmissions are very restrictive and removing or deleting them do help alot with fuel economy. Unfortunately, this WILL void your warrenty as will a tuner. A performance chip for a gas motor is mostly a remapping of your fuel injection that makes your engine a little less clean but more efficient. Most will yeild another ten to fifteen horse power give or take. Add an intake and exhaust, add another ten to fifteen. A diesel tuner is much different. Depending on the brand, they change fuel rail pressure, timing and duration of injector programs. One, this is hard on the new diesel injectors and has accounted for many premature injector failure. However, this can easily and dramatically can increase horsepower by 100 and torque by 200 foot pounds while increasing your mileage if you can keep your foot out of it. Problem is that the first thing to go is your transmission because it was never designed to handle 800 or 1000 foot pounds of torque. A proper rebuild is in the range of 4-6 thousand dollars. The next are usually injectors to the tune of 2000 dollars for a new set. All tuners now leave a footprint in the ecu and can be detected, even when going back to the stock software. Chevy, Dodge and Ford are well aware of these tuners and are very specific about voiding your warrenty, even if your dealer installs it.
With all that mindless dribble I just said, I am seriously am looking at trading my truck in for the Chevy. 400 HP and about 750 ft lbs of torque are very tempting. I don't think you would go wrong with any of the three brands of truck. They each have their specific issues that you will deal with but that is what extended warrenties are for.

 

[ctp1528]

Have a 2011 f350 crew cab has everything but king ranch . 17.8 around town , country highway 21 -23 less over 75mph. This truck is unreal with comfort and power new 6.7l is great. Towing 4 place full 15.2 avg. 3 buddies have ordered or purchased one in 250 or 350 form.

 

[millstreet]

I have 2008 F350 6.4 Diesel, with a Banks tuner on board, 9-10 mpg highway pulling a 24 ft in line 3 place trailer @ 75 mph (it's a pig)

Same trailer, same route, same speed with the wife's 5.4 gas Expedition -- 12-13 mpg.

Back to the OP, the Chevys have IFS (Independent Front Suspension) and seem to provide the best ride of the big 3. The Allison transmission has been excellent & the Duramax is quiet and very smooth.

More Urea info here http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/chev ... index.html

 

[Yamahammer485]

In my diesel power magazine, they just had a shootout between the new ford and chevy, with the chevy outclassing the ford in everyway such as fuel economy, speed, ride and comfortability (jake brake making downhills decents much better). They did tests with a 19000lb trailer going up and down a hill. The chevy did use more DEF than the ford, making the overall cost in $$, despite the worse mileage, making the ford cheaper to operate. This was all suprising to me as the ford out stats the chev in terms of power and torque.

I personally like the CV chafts of the chev, if you had to constantly change out u-joints like me, youll know why...

Also, FWIW, I prefer the cummins, and its the only brand you can buy in a manual transmission here in canada

 

[xt_gt]

i'd look for an older one. save your money on the new & just build up the old to how you want it. not having to deal with the emissions components.
just jump on the forums to see which years were the better ones.

ford & chevy are going off on the power wars.
i'm guessing dodge may be back in the works soon.

i bought my cummins back in 2005, not knowing a single thing about diesels. now i know enough,(cummins brand), to do things myself.

like stated above somewhere, since i bought my diesel, i'm not going back to gassers.

i'm running 35's, few other mods, weigh in @ 7400# & see 19-24mpg empty.

i'm satisfied.

 

[Honk]

I just sold my 05 Cummins 1 ton. Awesome truck, just didn't need it anymore. (Sold camper) Loved the mileage 21-22 stock except for muff del. Bought a replacement 1500 baby chevy truck, nice ride,love the heated seats, its got a 5'8" bed, and I think it might be overloaded with the four sand bags in there. 5.3 engine ticks on start up, chevy claims its normal,and will do nada, zip,zilch. But the Bose sound system is great, so just turn it up I guess! Oh yea the gasser only gets 15.8 pulling itself around, can't wait to see how poor it gets when pulling the trailer. Really miss the power, but Diesel is 40 cents more per gallon now!

 

[AKrider]

Not to get off topic, but what year is your 5.3? I had a 2000 K1500 with a 5.3 and it had the knock (piston slap) on cold starts. I did a bunch of research and found it was normal and wouldn't hurt anything. I've also heard it in other chevy trucks.

Back to diesels, my mechanic friends tell me the pre-electronic injector pump is the Cummins diesel to get. I've also been told to stay away from the 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels as they don't have the same reliability as the older 7.3.

 

[Dano]

Not to get off topic, but what year is your 5.3? I had a 2000 K1500 with a 5.3 and it had the knock (piston slap) on cold starts. I did a bunch of research and found it was normal and wouldn't hurt anything. I've also heard it in other chevy trucks.

Back to diesels, my mechanic friends tell me the pre-electronic injector pump is the Cummins diesel to get. I've also been told to stay away from the 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels as they don't have the same reliability as the older 7.3.

Have hundreds of HD Fords at my work with a mix of all engines. The 6L is definitely a motor to stay away from. The 6.4s are thirsty, but haven't showed reliability problems yet.

The 5.3 chevys are great on gas compared to my 5.7 Tundra. Looks like a duramax or Powerstroke 6.7 is in my future. An exhaust filter delete with mild reprogram will get the economy that Im looking for.

My coworker has a fully modded duramax pumping around 1000 hp. I was amazed on what this truck can do on pavement. Although no longer street legal, its quite a blast. Here's a clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMj5hSkG ... re=related

Dan

 

[number1kyster]

Unless you are towing all the time or commuting over long distances, a diesel is not worth the additional money. Guys will say the engines last much longer but a truck with 150,000, 200,000 miles still has the same amount of miles gas or diesel. If you plan to keep your truck for that long, you can buy a remanufactured gas motor, drop it in and then the motor is brand new. The diesel truck will still have the same amount of miles on BOTH the chassis and engine.

In addition, oil changes and maintenance are more expensive for a diesel. I'm not anti-diesel, I just see lots of people buy them from the wrong reasons. I'm also not convinced the DEF is the best way to go. Dodge doesn't require it.

I also agree with what was mentioned previously, how can a truck that uses more fuel per mile be better for the environment? From what I've seen in the real world with diesel rigs my friends have, the older ones get better milage than the new ones. My two cents.

I couldn't agree more. I see alot of guys buying them just to have them. My brother in law has one and doesn't tow anything with it. I wanted one a few years ago but after doing research I realized that I don't need one when the time comes for a new pickup. I know a guy with a landscaping/plowing business and he bought a Duramax and said no more diesels after this. He said the cost do not out weigh the benfits for what he does. But in the end it's their money and they can do what they want with it!

 

[ruffryder]

i worked for years on heavy on and off road engines its unbelievable that an eng 10-25% harder on fuel is better for the environment

I think if the percent increase in fuel consumption is less then the percent decrease in emissions, then the result is better for the environment.

Example
Vehicle 1. 20 miles in 1 gallon, emitting 1 unit of emissions.

Put on emissions controls that reduce MPG by 50%, and reduce emissions 70% (by fuel usage).

Vehicle 2. 20 miles in 2 gallons, emitting 0.6 units of emissions (0.3 for each gallon).

Vehicle 2 while using more fuel would emit less overall emissions for a specific distance.

Or something like that anyways..

 

[xt_gt]

Back to diesels, my mechanic friends tell me the pre-electronic injector pump is the Cummins diesel to get. I've also been told to stay away from the 6.0 and 6.4 Ford diesels as they don't have the same reliability as the older 7.3.

can't beat the p1700 pump for fueling, unless you start adding 2 pumps.

I've heard the same on the fords.

also heard that some of the duramax's had bad injectors for certain years.
(2003-2005, not sure which)

diesels have come along way since the 80's & 90's. quieter, more power, reliability & such. more electronics for good or bad, more emission crap.

just don't know why the fuel is cheaper to make than gas, yet it's more money for the consumer.
i guess it's that supply & demand thing.