Newbie question Attak vs Apex

[slimjim2525]

If you ride trails and lakes, really how much difference are you gonna notice between a GT and regular shocks? I have a 2011 apex non se edition. And my girl has a 07 apex GT, and I cannot tell the difference at all suspension wise. I ride like this poster 85% smooth trail, and 15% lakes to get to my destination.

 

[snowbeast]

I ride in Maine. I am an average rider and do not care if I am the fastest guy on the trails. I ride 10-20 percent lakes 80-90 trails. I ride a lot of time buy myself so I want something reliable and that is why I want a 4 strike and therfore a Yammi

Dont believe the hype that the attack,rides any better than a shortie,it does not,in fact it rides worse,has the same rear shock,and a longer rear skid to do the same work as a shortie does,yes it will bridge the longer bump,on the trails,that is all it does,if you ride off trail,the attack is better suited,but on trails,it pushes more,and just more weight to handle any bumps,and is only as fast in some conditions,because it comes with one tooth less on top,drop down a shortie one tooth,and an attack will fall fast behind,i have had both sleds,you mention,get the apex gt,i ride and live in maine too.

 

[Super Sled]

I estimate about 85% of TY will disagree with MNMSnowbeast's last statement. Just sayin.

 

[whitedust1]

I have many miles on both Attak GT & Apex GT. Attak GT hands down handles better ,hooks up better & does not push in corners than 121. Apex GT just too darn short to hook up no matter how many studs you mount. I only have 108 studs down the middle of Attak & hooks up well for trail riding. Why do you think all OEMs 120+ HP have gone to 128 for all their shorty 4s touring sleds? Only 4s application in future for 121 is extreme bump sled & apex not that.lol

 

[grossman]

Then I would change everything about the sled so it would do what I want it to do and burn money like mad and break it the first trip of the season, but thats me

hahahahaha

 

[snowbeast]

I estimate about 85% of TY will disagree with MNMSnowbeast's last statement. Just sayin.

So are you saying that 85 % of all totallyamaha people have owned both sleds for comparision,who i had no idea,that there were that many folks that had changed from 136 to 121 or vise versa,i dont think its that many,now the guys who think the attack handles good,well lets just say,they dont really ride that agressive most of the time,if they did,they would not hold to that assumption.

 

[Nick1945]

I estimate about 85% of TY will disagree with MNMSnowbeast's last statement. Just sayin.

So are you saying that 85 % of all totallyamaha people have owned both sleds for comparision,who i had no idea,that there were that many folks that had changed from 136 to 121 or vise versa,i dont think its that many,now the guys who think the attack handles good,well lets just say,they dont really ride that agressive most of the time,if they did,they would not hold to that assumption.

You sure like to stir the pot, don't you.

 

[raginyamaha]

I estimate about 85% of TY will disagree with MNMSnowbeast's last statement. Just sayin.

So are you saying that 85 % of all totallyamaha people have owned both sleds for comparision,who i had no idea,that there were that many folks that had changed from 136 to 121 or vise versa,i dont think its that many,now the guys who think the attack handles good,well lets just say,they dont really ride that agressive most of the time,if they did,they would not hold to that assumption.

agreed but if hes riding by himself im sure hes not up on the bars cheating death.... I agree with the attak. I had a shorty and dad had the attak, i thought his rode better thru most condition. Just think an extra 7inches of track on the ground couldnt hurt when u have 150 hp and trying to hook it up. The GT shocks are nice, tho they need to be revalved neways......

 

[rindtj]

Ridden both and we currently own both. All about where you ride and what you want to do. If you want to go as fast as possible on ice- it Apex. If you want to handle as good as possible in the tightest trails- not more than 5 percent of the trails I have ever been on in the UP or Northern Minnesota would I consider to be remotely tight- its definitely Apex. Slider wear is also often forgot about- out of the box the Apex has very minimal slider wear comparatively.

If you are riding a lot of highway trails or areas wear there are a lot of loose snow the Attak has a better all around feel and stability. If you want to drag race (not on ice) the attak is probably better under 1000 feet assuming equal traction. Also, on actual snow the speed difference between these two sleds is minimal IMO. The Attaks also ride better in the stutter bumps, hands down. On rough whooped out trails I couldn't make a decision- neither one was especially good, but both have fresh shock rebuilds/revalves so hopefully this will be much improved this year.

Both are good sleds and have there positives that are entrenched in how and where you ride, and what you want out of the sled.

 

[snowbeast]

I estimate about 85% of TY will disagree with MNMSnowbeast's last statement. Just sayin.

So are you saying that 85 % of all totallyamaha people have owned both sleds for comparision,who i had no idea,that there were that many folks that had changed from 136 to 121 or vise versa,i dont think its that many,now the guys who think the attack handles good,well lets just say,they dont really ride that agressive most of the time,if they did,they would not hold to that assumption.

You sure like to stir the pot, don't you.

If you are refering to me,than no,i dont stir up stuff,but do like facts,i have owned both,and rode both for lots of miles,and it imo,you can make your own opion if you want,so lets make a poll,to see what 85% looks like.

 

[snowbeast]

Ridden both and we currently own both. All about where you ride and what you want to do. If you want to go as fast as possible on ice- it Apex. If you want to handle as good as possible in the tightest trails- not more than 5 percent of the trails I have ever been on in the UP or Northern Minnesota would I consider to be remotely tight- its definitely Apex. Slider wear is also often forgot about- out of the box the Apex has very minimal slider wear comparatively.

If you are riding a lot of highway trails or areas wear there are a lot of loose snow the Attak has a better all around feel and stability. If you want to drag race (not on ice) the attak is probably better under 1000 feet assuming equal traction. Also, on actual snow the speed difference between these two sleds is minimal IMO. The Attaks also ride better in the stutter bumps, hands down. On rough whooped out trails I couldn't make a decision- neither one was especially good, but both have fresh shock rebuilds/revalves so hopefully this will be much improved this year.

Both are good sleds and have there positives that are entrenched in how and where you ride, and what you want out of the sled.

Good comparison,but on ice the apex vrs attack,is about 3-7 mph gps speed faster,and after hole shot,on snow,my apex is always faster than the attack,and my attack never rode in any bumps better than my or my boys apex,but thats mine,maybe your are differant,but than again,i have never been top ended by anyones attack.

 

[rindtj]

I agree (and did so in my post) the Apex is going to be more than 3 MPH 90% of the time on ice- closer to 5. I was assuming stock for stock I guess (24 tooth in Apex) which is obviously going to make the Apex take longer to catch the Attak in drag race- I agree even with the 24 1000 ft is pushing it. Like I said no "bumps" felt great on either sled- and big bumps are going to have more to do with shocks than skid length to begin with- the long stutters on UP highways with some loose snow seemed much better on the Attak- that could be a product of the Attak doing better in most places in the UP. And I also wouldn't say that an Attak would top end an apex- but in most snow conditions the GPS gap is probably closer than it is on the ice (2-4 in most conditions).

 

[vice108]

Both are great. This is a situation where I would get which ever is in better shape.

 

[Super Sled]

I estimate about 85% of TY will disagree with MNMSnowbeast's last statement. Just sayin.

So are you saying that 85 % of all totallyamaha people have owned both sleds for comparision,who i had no idea,that there were that many folks that had changed from 136 to 121 or vise versa,i dont think its that many,now the guys who think the attack handles good,well lets just say,they dont really ride that agressive most of the time,if they did,they would not hold to that assumption.

You like to bark loud and throw out your opinions, don't you Mnmsnowbeast....

Look, I ride aggressive and fast in tight twisty trails. And did I mention icy and bombed out by Saturday afternoon on weekends? Oh, and I've owned and ridden lots of 121's and longer sleds. I personally prefer the Attak. But they are both good.

Fact is, you made the statement guys can't ride the Attak as fast as the shortie on tight trails. That is your opinion. That is all is it is. And I stand by my response that the far majority of guys will dsagree with your opinion. Guys can ride the Attak fast and aggressive -- it's no slower than the Apex for a lot of guys. Maybe in your case Mnmsnowbeast, but not automatically for everyone else too, just because you said so........

 

[Mighty]

Attak. I have owned an RX-1, Warrior, 2 Attaks, Apex RTX, Attak GT, Apex LTX 40th Anniversary and just went back to a Warrior. I will never go back to a shorty. The 136 rides better, is more stable at speed, hooks better and looks better. Shorties look like their #*$&@ was cut off. Yamaha's are cruisers. Fast cruisers, but cruisers. Too damn heavy to get to jiggy with in the tight twisties. Get a Rev for that crap.