Nytro S.E. over promised, under delivered?

[AKrider]

I seriously considered buying an S.E but didn't pull the trigger. Now, after reading posts from guys who received them, does anyone think that Yamaha failed to fully deliver?

More to the point, I was disappointed to learn that the sled did not come with a reinforced front torque arm in the rear skid, reinforced a-arms, or running board reinforcements. All these items were on the race sled and the sled was promoted as a "close as you can get to Robbie Meloneski's sno-x sled", replica.

I hate to come off negative, but I went through this crap with Ski-doo when they first intro'd "X" model consumer sleds back in '01. I owned and raced a '98 MXZx race sled and the '01 consumer version 800 I bought left a lot to be desired. I'm just wondering if anyone else was disappointed?

 

[EsonPZ]

I did not order one, but if i did i dont think i would be dissapointed. Better shocks, better tunnel and reinforced rear arm. Just what i want.

If you want a real race sled then you would have to buy something like a sd 600rs or a sno pro that is ready for the track right away.

 

[TechMaples]

The front arm of the skid is different.

 

[LJ 452]

The only thing that appears to be different as far as what was shown at the 09' reveal is the front suspension arm. The rails are reinforced, the A-arms look the same as they did in the show. The tunnel IS reinforced, the reinforcment is on the underside. I bounced around on mine in the garage, no worries about the flexing. The shocks are increadable, well atleast the front. I can't speak for the rear as I have not rode it yet, but the front feel much better from last year. I'm a little suprised at the deleat of the front reinforcement, anyone know why or if it, suposed to be there and there is a misstake? As long as it holds together I'm fine with it.

 

[Grimm]

I'm a big guy, I too was a little bit miffed that I heard that the front arm wasn't reinforced as advertised, but I haven't seen my SE yet, nor able to compare it to the base model Nytros either. But I didn't break the front arm on my 05 Vector, so I'm not worried about it much.

The primary reason I chose the SE over the XTX, was the functionality of the shock package, both in compression and rebound. If Yammy offered the same shocks in the XTX, I would have went that way.

 

[jedwards89]

I have been a yamaha rider for 20 years. My parents bought me my first sled an Ovation then a 500 Vmax, then a 600 Delux. I have my own Viper, had an Apex RTX and now have an SE. One out of all of those sleds had an issue with the suspension breaking (deluxe). I have been riding on TUG HILL for 12 years and for those who ride it know what I am talking about when I say Beat the *^&! out of a sled. I have no concerns with the new plat form. I am sure like the rest of my yammies it will take every bit of it.

So I would say that I am not upset, or got a product that will be inferior. If yamaha said we were getting one thing and got something else well I leave it to the buyer.

Many people raced regular RTX's last year and the SE is beefed up a bit more than those sleds. Are you really concerned about it not perfroming? Or are you up set that we did not get what they said we were supposed to get.

Also please do not compare a doo to a Yamaha out of the box. My sisters all ride Doo and they have been in the shop more than on the trail.

 

[TechMaples]

both arms in the skid are beefier in the se vs the er or std rtx.
as well as the rails. As far as the a-arms, I dont remember anyone having issues with them unless they hit something. The front subframe is what needed reinforcing, and they did on all model nytros.

 

[AKrider]

I'm mainly interested to see if SE buyers were upset that the sled did not totally come as advertised? The sno-x sled had reinforced a-arms as the stock Nytro a-arms will bend/twist when raced or ridden very agressively. I'm not familer with the reinforcements on the SE's rear arm so if some has a picture I'd love to see it. The front arm was shown to be reinforced on the SE and was even mentioned in the literature last srping. Now that guys have received them they noted the arm is not reinforced. Glad to hear the tunnel is beefed up. I bent the floor boards of my Nytro last season.

I'm disappointed that Yamaha took a similar path as Ski-doo and advertised the sled as the closest thing to the race sled you could get your hands on when it wasn't very different from a regular Nytro, save for the tunnel and shocks. Doo has done the same thing time and time again. The last one was the '07 XRS that was supposed to be a true 440 race chassis with an 800 motor. It wasn't a true race chassis.

 

[TurboJamie]

I'm mainly interested to see if SE buyers were upset that the sled did not totally come as advertised? The sno-x sled had reinforced a-arms as the stock Nytro a-arms will bend/twist when raced or ridden very agressively. I'm not familer with the reinforcements on the SE's rear arm so if some has a picture I'd love to see it. The front arm was shown to be reinforced on the SE and was even mentioned in the literature last srping. Now that guys have received them they noted the arm is not reinforced. Glad to hear the tunnel is beefed up. I bent the floor boards of my Nytro last season.

I'm disappointed that Yamaha took a similar path as Ski-doo and advertised the sled as the closest thing to the race sled you could get your hands on when it wasn't very different from a regular Nytro, save for the tunnel and shocks. Doo has done the same thing time and time again. The last one was the '07 XRS that was supposed to be a true 440 race chassis with an 800 motor. It wasn't a true race chassis.

If you ever get the chance to see the race sled up close know that the SE is no where close to the factory race sled. One of my best friends is the Yamaha team mechanic /suspension guru and I had a very very good look over the race sled. Its not anywhere even close to the production machine espeically the front end.

I think its meant to be more of a factory sled replica edition it sure does look cool though, PS the facotry floats run just over 200 psi of air pressure

 

[Alatalo]

And trust me, you would not want the factory race sled on the trail...

Though, I have to admit that it would be quite interesting to read this forum if that was possible. Just to see the customer reaction when overheating after one mile. Or burning the sliders off after two miles. Or freezing somebodys fingers off after three miles. Not to mention the amount of requests for softer suspension calibrations...

Get real, no trail sled is even close to a factory snocross sled - for a reason!

 

[LJ 452]

And trust me, you would not want the factory race sled on the trail...

Though, I have to admit that it would be quite interesting to read this forum if that was possible. Just to see the customer reaction when overheating after one mile. Or burning the sliders off after two miles. Or freezing somebodys fingers off after three miles. Not to mention the amount of requests for softer suspension calibrations...

Get real, no trail sled is even close to a factory snocross sled - for a reason!

^^^^^^Exactly^^^^^^

When I decided to get the S.E., it was not because I wanted the sled Yamaha uses in their SnoCross team. While I would like to ride the actual race sled just to see what it's like, I do not want to own that sled for the above mentioned reasons. As far a the phrase "as close to the race as you can get", well I guess it is, as they don't make one (production) that is closer. Call it a play on words I guess, really I don't care, anyone who thought they would be riding the race sled when they bought the S.E., needs to take a look at a race sled up close. I simply choose it for the suspension options, also anything that is reinforced is good in my book as well. Honestly I really toy'd the idea of going to Cat as the SnoPro suspension seems to deliver a "non-bottoming" ride. When Yam released the S.E. I was glad, as I had a renewed confidence in Yamaha and their rear suspension and I was really dreading the idea of having a 2 stroke again. Now I realize I haven't rode the S.E. yet but, knowing the base structure is there, is nice. A revalve should be the only suspension work if any are needed. With that, seeing the improvements they've made to the Float valving, I have a good feeling starting this year out.

 

[unpride]

There is also a big difference between a consumer sled and race sled. Hmmm maybe about 20,000 dollars! Im just waiting for the complaining to begin when people start riding the SE's and they are too stiff for them.

 

[LJ 452]

There is also a big difference between a consumer sled and race sled. Hmmm maybe about 20,000 dollars! Im just waiting for the complaining to begin when people start riding the SE's and they are too stiff for them.

As long as it isn't stiff as a board then slams down to the bottom. I will be happy. If it's stiff in the correct way, you all know what I mean by that. Than anyone complaining should be smacked.

 

[Newfiebullet]

And trust me, you would not want the factory race sled on the trail...

Though, I have to admit that it would be quite interesting to read this forum if that was possible. Just to see the customer reaction when overheating after one mile. Or burning the sliders off after two miles. Or freezing somebodys fingers off after three miles. Not to mention the amount of requests for softer suspension calibrations...

Get real, no trail sled is even close to a factory snocross sled - for a reason!

Not a factory race sled, but a race replica would be cool. i.e. a race chassis with lights, and handwarmers.

The only sled that's come close to that recently is the Polaris IQ RR, and that was a one year wonder.

I don't know about the SE, but looking at my XTX I KNOW it won't stand up to the pounding the chassis of my Dragon did, just judging from the diameters of the shocks, the beefiness of the suspension, and the way it's put together. And even the Dragon was pretty tired after two years.

 

[Alatalo]

Not a factory race sled, but a race replica would be cool. i.e. a race chassis with lights, and handwarmers.

The only sled that's come close to that recently is the Polaris IQ RR, and that was a one year wonder.

I don't know about the SE, but looking at my XTX I KNOW it won't stand up to the pounding the chassis of my Dragon did, just judging from the diameters of the shocks, the beefiness of the suspension, and the way it's put together. And even the Dragon was pretty tired after two years.

And just look at what happened to the IQ RR. On the forums over here you can find hundreds of threads about the overly stiff suspension calibration and probably about another hundred about the lack of odometer (Joe Average does not know when to service and Joe Lowerige probably does not even know when to refill oil because of the lack of odometer...). Simply, people do not buy these sleds because they need them or because they are snocross riders. People buy these sleds because they want to be, or more specific, want to look like snocross riders. That is what Yamaha realized when they offered the SE...

I agree on your thoughts about the XTX because that is basically the main reason I went for the SE. I will be very surprised if the swingarms and rails of the XTX last a full season for rough trail riders...