Oversized idler wheels? Any problems with using them?

[Grimm]

Some have trimmed off 1.5mm from the base of the mount, some have have trimmed it off at the shoulder. I trimmed it at the shoulder, however there is a theory that the support could end up being weaker this way due to less material holding the shoudler on...you know what I mean?

 

[apltx08]

I machined the outer mounts. If you leave them long, the wheels tend to curl the track edge down. Another way of saying this is: the wheels are so far out toward the edge of the track that they stretch the track excessively.

I've ridden 10.000kms without the 4 front outter machined w/6205 bearings...1st of herd of track CURLING your talking 1.5mm farther out...

Then how do you explain the rear axle outter wheels their running even closer to the edge of the track on all makes of sleds and the tracks don't CURL.

Here's a pic of how much you have to machine...

 

[Rayman5271]

Thanks for all the help... anyone want to give me step by step on how to remove them...

 

[apltx08]

Thanks for all the help... anyone want to give me step by step on how to remove them...

Box end wrench #14 and wrachet w/#14 socket, set the wrachet on the outter side "NUT" and box end on the inside "HEAD" of the bolt and turn counter clockwise...for the 2nd set outter front (nearest to the rear) slip in the open end of the wrench between your pivot arm and rail to the head of the bolt, its a little tricky but you'll find the right angle to get in...once you get the nuts off just slip mounts and idlers off and your done, to get'em back on just reverse operation...you can use BLUE Loctite when you re-assemble.

 

[Rayman5271]

That was a great read. haha Sorry for the stupid questions... I have pulled damn near everything on my sled apart and put it back on at one point or another... never really touched anything behind the motor. I was just worried about track tension and all that good stuff didn't know what had to be loosened so #*$&@ wouldn't start flying when I pulled the rear wheels.

 

[apltx08]

Your rear axle ones is a different story...the idlers no need to loosen track, just unbolt and remove.

Hey there is no STUPID questions, you just want to get the job done right the 1st time...

 

[Rayman5271]

So, correct me if im wrong... my rtx se comes with 4 idlers. I have to have the two inside front wheel brackets machined 1mm. the other two will be bolt ons. And I can add two more for the center of the machine where its wearing to the skid? And after this is said and done hopefully no problems... I don't even have to touch the rear wheels.

Is there any cons for adding the additional two wheels or even adding four more? One right at the bend and one on the mid section on both sides?

Thanks

 

[mtkaboater]

If you read all the posts on this thread you will see that you will run the risk of cracked rails with the bigger wheel. Sliders are cheap and easy to replace compared to replacing a rail. Get some scratchers if slide wear is your big issue - they are cheaper then machining your mounts.

 

[Len Todd]

When you put wheels inside the rails, you have to make sure they will clear everything when the suspension is fully compressed. So, ... you may want to be careful there.

 

[06apexrtx]

with all the info on which wheels to get is very confusing for sure. if you put replacement wheels(which my dealer couldn't find red ones) w/ the replaceable bearing,6005, can i just put the marginal snow kit wheels in to help the hyfax wear or is that not enough? imy 06' has one delatemented wheel and the other bearing in all the wheels are starting to get bad w/ 850 miles on so i just replaced the hyfax and trying to figure the wheel set up. he tried looking in "parts unlimited" book w/ no results. thanks

 

[Len Todd]

You might want to give SLP a call. They had THESE or call them and see if they have some red ones.

I am not so sure you will find ones with replaceable 6005s. Typically the 6005's are molded in the wheel. If you are willing to do some machining, you can use old SRX wheels. They have the 6205 in them, are replaceable and are bigger.

Pioneer Performance makes a kit that lowers the wheels. I have used that and the OEM wheels. They had so much trouble with wheels in the '05 and newer, I stuck with the old wheels and they are still good after several years and 10K+ miles.

 

[06apexrtx]

hey thanks. i think i gave the wrong bearing number as i wanted the replaceable bearing. do you have the old stock part numbers by any chance? i was thinking of using pioneer's kit andstaying w/ stock size wheels as i don't want to even chance cracking the rails.

 

[Rayman5271]

From my research, the pioneer kit drops the stock wheels 5mm... giving you the same drop as the larger idlers through kimplex. I talked to someone who has put the larger wheels on numerous sleds. They have reduced slide wear and have had no cracked rails. He said there is no way the extra 1/4 inch is going to crack the rails. If you go any larger larger it would be possible. But he argues that the 135mm should have been the oem wheels for the yammy sleds. So from my research... you can buy the pioneer kit or invest about $60 more and buy new wheels and get your inside mounts machined, and never have to worry about slides or rails again. And the best part is, when the bearings run out you can just replace the bearings. If you buy the pioneer kit you will be replacing stock oem wheels.

 

[Len Todd]

To get part numbers look HERE! Put in Product line, Year and model. Then go the TracK Suspension I folder.

 

[87gtNOS]

just a heads up to anyone using the larger polaris wheels.

My sled (2005 RX-1 ER) came with them and this happened the first season. I dont believe the person who put them on machined down the brackets. What you cant see is that the track was chewed up on one side. Not enough to ruin it, but enough to ruin my day.

Another problem with this wheel that stunter1 is using is the thickness.
I use these wheels on the outsides.

This past weekend I attempted to put them in the insides.
My inside mounts were already machined 3 years ago to help align the STOCK wheels better in the middle.

These thicker wheels get the sh1t kicked out of them by the drive lugs. The drive lugs are hard...and having them beat on the wheels could account for the cracked rails.

I am at a loss as to what to do for wheels. I have had one set of plastic RX1 wheels on since Feb 06!! They are peened all to heck from the underside of the studs and are about 1/4" smaller than what they started out as!