PB-80 For SideWinder, ready for primetime.

[KnappAttack]

Ordered one up to try last week, I got the first one sold in the states I know. I ran the PB-80's on my NA 1200's Doo's and also my last turbo 1200. The TRA was a ratteling bucket of bolts, much like the Yamaha clutch is on the 998, so as we put them on the 1200's, they quieted right up and got rid of all the clutch rattle, and I suspect the SideWinder will as well. It is not, nor will it ever be a drag race clutch when you have good traction, It will however be a great trail clutch. The performance should be as good as the stock Yamaha clutch other than the belt grip on take off if you have traction and are not spinning, but once engaged on the belt, should be an equal to the Yamaha clutch performance wise with a lot less to go wrong, like breaking and binding springs, rollers not spinning and flat spotting, worn bushings in rollers and things like that. It is also super easy to change weight and springs on, no need to take the clutch off the engines crankshaft, just remove the clutch bolt and large nut to change weight for RPM, slide off the movable to change the spring, I use a spring compressor to make it easy for spring changes.

It could very well run hotter as it has less surface area acting like a fan moving air compared to the Yamaha clutch with its larger alum. cooling surface. The cover on the PB-80 is fairly smooth steel that the shoes push against. So I have a hunch it will run a bit hotter just because of the design of being more compact & confined. It remains to be seen if it will be an issue, but it wasn't on my Doo's, so see no reason it will be an issue on the Yamaha.

The PB-80 for the Winder is P/N 1100-0312 and the clutches are available now. I took it apart this weekend and took a few pics, checked on the spring. It comes with a #1151-1135 spring which is a 900-1300 newton, So in pounds that would be a 202-292 pound spring. I know from testing I did on my 240HP turbo 1200 that is going to be very close as I also ran the 1200 at about 87-8800 RPM. The disappointing part for me is the pucks came with no mass weights, which IMO are going to be needed with the higher power tunes. The shoes come weighted at 110 gram total weight and contain 11 pucks in them, which does not seem like near enough weight to me, but I have yet to try it out. I ran 110 grams with a lighter spring than this in my 1200 NA sled at 8500! It does come with 9 extra pucks included, but not installed, but that still will not be enough weight for tuned sleds making over 240 HP. Mass weights will be a must when you get up in power and you can't go over 15-16 pucks and screw in the holder, you must install the mass weights to get over that much weigh in the shoe.

The shoes have changed a bit as they now have a piece cast on them that will not allow them to be installed backwards, which will be a nice thing. It is an OverDrive clutch measuring 8.2675" on both the movable and stationary. It is setup to uses the stock belt width.

I'm in no way stating this clutch is going to be better in any way just yet, I just wanted to give one a try compared to the Yamaha rattling bucket of bolts and having much success with the PB-80 on my 1200. I'm still going to be doing a bunch of testing with weights and springs with the Yamaha clutch also. Should be fun!

Pointer below is pointing to puck installed backwards not fitting properly, it points to the new cast in protrusion on the shoes that will not allow the shoe to fit in a backwards position as it could prior to this cast in protrusion. So this is new.

Pointer below shows the shoe in the proper position and the new cast protrusion in the proper orientation and shoe fitment.

 

[nadekeys]

Can't wait to hear how this goes Knapp, I have a CVtech on my Can-am Outlander 1000 Max and it works great with a similar simple design. If it quiets the rattle down as well that would be awesome.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Great to see this info here Mike! This is a great contribution to this site, and will give us another option.

Fantastic write-up. Excited to see your testing results!

Dan

 

[ROCKERDAN]

My v2 from last year had that design on the shoe, so you could not accidentally put the block in backwards. Good idea from them.

Sure makes for a nice replacement if stockers cant take the harmonics of these triples, which is exactly what we all had to do with the 1200 doo triple. Love the simplicity of them and Im glad I kept my pb80 holding tool and large socket for the NUT, since I could end up back with another one on the SW down the road.

The mass puck sounds like a good idea too if we need alot more weight for this kinda HP.

 

[wowchad]

Thanks for the write up Mike, I cannot wait to hear how it works on the SW!

By the way Dan...the spring is an 1151-1135 hahahahaha Mike beat me to it.
I was off yesterday and the email had just come in so I didn't see it until this morning.

 

[68gmc]

Interesting Mike. Looking forward to hearing how you make out with the pb80 on they winder. Ran it over 300hp in the spring on my Doo and it outperformed my Tapp believe it or not. Only downfall was low engagement did not allow for a very strong antilag calibration but since I run 99.9% trail the tapp stayed on the shelf collecting dust last spring. Ran mass weight and 6 pucks per arm to get 9100rpm.

Looking into picking up an LTX anniversary winder to try again for this winter and may try a PB80 on it too!

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Thanks for the write up Mike, I cannot wait to hear how it works on the SW!

By the way Dan...the spring is an 1151-1135 hahahahaha Mike beat me to it.
I was off yesterday and the email had just come in so I didn't see it until this morning.

Haha, Already ahead of ya!

 

[KnappAttack]

Interesting Mike. Looking forward to hearing how you make out with the pb80 on they winder. Ran it over 300hp in the spring on my Doo and it outperformed my Tapp believe it or not. Only downfall was low engagement did not allow for a very strong antilag calibration but since I run 99.9% trail the tapp stayed on the shelf collecting dust last spring. Ran mass weight and 6 pucks per arm to get 9100rpm.

Looking into picking up an LTX anniversary winder to try again for this winter and may try a PB80 on it too!

Well that's cool Brian! Put some miles on this one now and get it broke in so it runs well. Mine came to life after some miles and turns 9000 bone stock now. I've already got all of Hurricanes go fast stuff for it and ready to go on. I assume you'll get yours amped up a bit too! LOL!

There's only two things I didn't like about the Yamaha, one was was the rattling stock clutch, obviously the PB80 should cure that like it did on the DOO, the other was the weird long throw throttle lever, it feels quite awkward in my hand to me, but I guess you can install and old Apex style lever on it with a special electronic part on it for the thumb warmer and fix that.

Looking forward to hearing your review of the 50th Brian! I myself like everything about the Yamaha over the Doo so far. Ride, flat handling, ease of underhood access, gauge, riding position, seat, easy steering, hand warmers, ergos and the ease of boosting it up cheaply and easily, plus the fact that you can use your iPhone for real time data when using the the Hurricane flash communicator thru bluetooth.

Norm is not going to be happy with you on a Yamaha you know!

 

[Avenged7x]

So how did the PB80 work on the 998?

 

[KnappAttack]

So how did the PB80 work on the 998?

Haven't put it on yet. Went to try it the other day and realized my rotax puller that worked on my 1200 PB80 wouldn't remove it from the 998. The puller hit the threads on the crankshaft.

Have the Team Primary on now I'm going to try first.

 

[wowchad]

So how did the PB80 work on the 998?

I'm curious too! I now know 3 guys who have them and haven't heard any feedback. I thought Mike would have SOMETHING to say by now

 

[Alsim]

I'm curious too! I now know 3 guys who have them and haven't heard any feedback. I thought Mike would have SOMETHING to say by now

X2...I had it on my Viper and love it ! No need to check everytime if rollers going bad, more confident about clutch exploding issues, no rattle and maintenance free....

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I think(IMO) the Pb80 may be alittle bit taxed when around 270hp....Could be wrong tho.

Dan

 

[woodysattak]

I have one that I picked up from wowchad. Still trying to get the yamaha primary dialed in. Finally got snow in southern WI. Hopefully will get some running time on it by next weekend. I did put it on for a little bit on the grass and it pretty quiet compared to the yamy primary. As soon as I run it a little will give some feedback.

 

[KnappAttack]

I have one that I picked up from wowchad. Still trying to get the yamaha primary dialed in. Finally got snow in southern WI. Hopefully will get some running time on it by next weekend. I did put it on for a little bit on the grass and it pretty quiet compared to the yamy primary. As soon as I run it a little will give some feedback.

Woody, what did you find that worked for a puller. I am not going to put mine on until I know I can get it off.