RedPhazer
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Hello,
I was wondering if someone could please explain to me the different roles that the two springs/shocks (rear torsion and front coil) play in the action of the rear suspension? What role does the limit strap play?
I can jump my sled 3-4 feet in the air with a smooth landing. However, get in the moguls/bumps, come of the first mogul and slam hard into the second = HARSH bottoming! And I'm talking it sounds like metal on metal! Ouch!
This leads me to my next question. Other than the bottoming, I don't mind the rear suspension of my 2007 Phazer (base model). Are there any reasonably priced after market fixes to my problem. Once again, keep in mind this is the base model Phazer so I don't have the clicker shocks.
I know Hygear makes some torsion spring bottoming wheels. It's my understanding that the rollers bolt on the bottom of the tunnel to apply additional pressure to the torsion springs late in the travel. Will this cure my problem? Also, seems to me that putting all that pressure on the tunnel will surely cause something to eventually bend or break. Does anyone have any experience with this kit?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
I was wondering if someone could please explain to me the different roles that the two springs/shocks (rear torsion and front coil) play in the action of the rear suspension? What role does the limit strap play?
I can jump my sled 3-4 feet in the air with a smooth landing. However, get in the moguls/bumps, come of the first mogul and slam hard into the second = HARSH bottoming! And I'm talking it sounds like metal on metal! Ouch!
This leads me to my next question. Other than the bottoming, I don't mind the rear suspension of my 2007 Phazer (base model). Are there any reasonably priced after market fixes to my problem. Once again, keep in mind this is the base model Phazer so I don't have the clicker shocks.
I know Hygear makes some torsion spring bottoming wheels. It's my understanding that the rollers bolt on the bottom of the tunnel to apply additional pressure to the torsion springs late in the travel. Will this cure my problem? Also, seems to me that putting all that pressure on the tunnel will surely cause something to eventually bend or break. Does anyone have any experience with this kit?
Thanks in advance,
Tom
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Re: Rear suspension info/HARD bottoming/Hygear bottoming whe
Tom,
I have this kit installed on my wifes FX. My first step in improving the Phazer rear suspension was to install the anti-bottoming rollers and the spacers (Located within the coiled portion of the tortion springs.) These parts made little improvement... both with ride quality through stutters and bottoming. Next step was dual rate springs installed to the front 3 shocks, all 4 shocks revalved and their pivot isolation system installed (All Hygear parts and service.) At the same time the skid was out of the sled my dealer updated it to the 08 parts (Due to a bent shaft at the center shock mount.) At this point (Apx. $1200.00 later) I am satisfied with the ski suspension. The rear suspension no longer bottoms and rides much better through the stutters....but not quite to my satisfaction. Hygear will get another stab at valving the shocks in an attempt to smooth this thing out. (Keep in mind that I am attempting to make this sled a sit down comfy cruiser for my wife)
The anti-bottoming wheels mount to the rails (Not the tunnel) just behind the sleeve the tortion spring rod travels in through the stroke. It is my opinion that since the anti-bottoming kit did little for me, you'll probably come away with the same result. I know you have a base and the shocks are different than my FX.... and I am unsure if you even have the option of revalving your shocks. I feel shock valving specific to your weight and riding style is the best money spent. If this cannot be accomplished with your shocks you may want to consider new ones.
I feel I do not understand enough of the spring, arm, shock, limiter strap relationship to attempt explaining it to you. I have had to do a lot of my own trial-and-error and have relied on expert advise both from fellow members here as well as guys like Ross at Hygear. Do a lot of searching and reading befor you put down your money on aftermarket improvements. You'll find many guys on TY happy to help.
RedPhazer said:
Tom,
I have this kit installed on my wifes FX. My first step in improving the Phazer rear suspension was to install the anti-bottoming rollers and the spacers (Located within the coiled portion of the tortion springs.) These parts made little improvement... both with ride quality through stutters and bottoming. Next step was dual rate springs installed to the front 3 shocks, all 4 shocks revalved and their pivot isolation system installed (All Hygear parts and service.) At the same time the skid was out of the sled my dealer updated it to the 08 parts (Due to a bent shaft at the center shock mount.) At this point (Apx. $1200.00 later) I am satisfied with the ski suspension. The rear suspension no longer bottoms and rides much better through the stutters....but not quite to my satisfaction. Hygear will get another stab at valving the shocks in an attempt to smooth this thing out. (Keep in mind that I am attempting to make this sled a sit down comfy cruiser for my wife)
The anti-bottoming wheels mount to the rails (Not the tunnel) just behind the sleeve the tortion spring rod travels in through the stroke. It is my opinion that since the anti-bottoming kit did little for me, you'll probably come away with the same result. I know you have a base and the shocks are different than my FX.... and I am unsure if you even have the option of revalving your shocks. I feel shock valving specific to your weight and riding style is the best money spent. If this cannot be accomplished with your shocks you may want to consider new ones.
I feel I do not understand enough of the spring, arm, shock, limiter strap relationship to attempt explaining it to you. I have had to do a lot of my own trial-and-error and have relied on expert advise both from fellow members here as well as guys like Ross at Hygear. Do a lot of searching and reading befor you put down your money on aftermarket improvements. You'll find many guys on TY happy to help.
