Talk me out of this guys...I need some guidance

[Goddo]

Okay, before I start this topic I don't want everyone being all brand loyal and bashing. I've been and continue to be a lover of my Nytro.

Well here is the situation. I'm seriously thinking of buying a Doo Renegade Back Country X. Let me explain myself.

First off, I love my Nytro. The ride, fuel mileage, reliability, suspension, and the torque (oh the torque). I was in love with this sled from the first ride. But, I will admit, it does have it's shortcomings as with every sled. Here are the things I don't like.

1. Too short - I ride more off-trail than on and even with a 1.5 intense track the sled just doesn't have the off-trail ability that I desire.

2. Towing - I just finished my cabin and am planning more rides up there with the family next season. I need to be able to tow gas, food, etc up to the camp, and I just can't see doing that with the Nytro. I have towed with it this season, but I don't think it's made for it.

3. Weight - As much as I bought in to all the articles about the Nytro being the same weight as the old rev I just can't get over the weight when riding off trail. If you keep the momentum up, the sled will go anywhere. The power and 1.5 inch track push the sled through the snow with ease but if you are picking around or have to stop on any incline the sled gets stuck and is heavy. I think its a combination of the weight in the front end and the approach angle, but instead of moving forward, the back just sinks.

So here are my options:

A) Hang on to the Nytro and put up with the few shortcomings. The sled rides great and the engine is a star.

B) Extend the Nytro out to 136. I've read mixed reviews on this and although the track will have more footprint, it won't overcome the approach angle and weight

C) Purchase an 08 or 09 Renegade used and add the 1.75 inch track. Given the rise in the prices of all sleds for next year, this is the cheapest way to get a 1.75 inch renegade, but finding an X model will be hard, and adding aftermarket shocks and a 1.75 track + electric start is a $2000 venture so what are you saving in the long run.

D) Buy the Back country X, which in my opinion is the perfect sled for our climate. We have hills and lots of boondocking country. Our snow levels aren't enough to justify a mountain sled as a main choice for me so the BCX Rene is the perfect sled. It doesn't have EFI which sucks, but it has everything I want in a sled (X shocks, 136 x 1.75 track, lightweight).

What do I do? or not Doo

 

[jrod250]

Do what makes you happy. I have an 05 renegade 800x and my nytro.

 

[Daranello]

Why not slap and XTX skid in there, the aproch angle is better than the shorty, its amazing off trail....its 15x144 track is the same footprint as the Doo's 16x137.....

My XTX will go anywhere off trail and I'm still only using the 1.25" Ripsaw, I'm sure it would climb a wall with a 1.75 track. right now as it is, it wheelies up hill in the snow....

Next year i'm adding Powerhounds and a 1ply Cobra track cause im still 50/50 on off trail....

as for towing....I towed many 800 Doo's and Firecats, its not food and gas but it worked well...

 

[UP Brett]

You could do as the previous owner of my sled did, he put 136" rail extensions on and moved the skid back a few inchs to change the approach angle, and put a 144" x 1.75 backcountry on it. I haven't had deep snow to play in as I got it 2 weeks ago and our snow was melting then.

 

[4strokesmokextx]

Yes the renagade backcountrys are tempting sleds but let's think about this you love your nytro shorty, everything about it which is good but you spend a lot of time off trail but not enough to justify a mountain sled. So you need a crossover that's where the renagade comes in, but yamaha has a sled that falls in that catagory and that's the xtx! All the beniefits of the shorty but with a longer track. It will go anywhere a mountain sled will as long as you can keep the track speed up. Also any sled will get stuck on an incline if you stop on it, watch a XP summit get stuck on a incline earlier this year. Towing I don't see to be a big prob bc your not hauling a lot of heavy stuff, this sled will haul the mail!! So I say go with option E and buy an XTX, but then again it's your money do what you believe will get the job done

 

[horkn]

I say try an XTX skid on your shorty nytro before you buy a different sled. Run whatever track you can on it. I would imagine at least a 1.5" will fit.

 

[backstop]

I have a friend who traded his XTX early this season because he couldn"t stand the ice build up on long runs. He traded in his XTX for the Renegade 800R & he recently blew a piston about a week or so ago. He says he is very happy with his 09 Gade & is looking forward to getting it fixed & is headed out to Revelstoke next week I think. I too am interested in the 2010 Renegade (1200 though ) This XTX is my first 4 stroke & I am pretty happy with it overall & honestly I like everything about 4 strokes so far & most likley will stick with them. Like the original thread stated all sleds have their short comings & the XTX has them too just like the Gade does. I personally think the ice build up with the XTX is eventually going to damage something in this sled. Too many times this year going 80+ MPH I hear a lound crunch & it makes you wonder? I have contacted Yamaha canada & this has been put on record from alot of guys so hopefully yamaha will come up with a solution to this. Other than this ice build up it is hard to find any other real faults with this XTX! The 2010 show is here in Winnipeg this Thursday & I am going to look hard at the Gade but it will take something special for me to switch. Tough decision on this one for us both...Good luck with your decision & whatever you choose be happy cause your still riding!

 

[Tobbe...]

First off, I love my Nytro. The ride, fuel mileage, reliability, suspension, and the torque (oh the torque). I was in love with this sled from the first ride. But, I will admit, it does have it's shortcomings as with every sled. Here are the things I don't like.

Bla bla bla bla bla....

What do I do? or not Doo

I am in pretty mutch the exact same situation as you are-I love it, but it has some issues Ive gotta deal with...this is my plan for the next season:

1: Go with a M-10 136" rear suspention. Allready got it delivered, complete with Ohlins

2: New Klim gloves, if that dont keep my hands warm I just might change the handwarmers-but I will try the gloves first. (small problem, I know)

3: Wider skies, most likely Powder Pro(?).

Me too got a friend who drives the XTX, and I cannot say I really like it in the snow. Just a bit too tough to handle for me-but on the other hand, my weight is just 75 kg with gear, so I dont get enough weight to "bend it down" in the snow. When I drive the XTX is not me who is the driver-its the sled who is playin with me

I did try a -08 RTX with a Edge 136" suspention a couple of weeks ago, and that made all the difference to me-enough with traction in the snow, and still "easy" to handle compare to the XTX.

But OK, I know that my lack of bodyweight is a bit unusual in this sport...


Good luck!

 

[NyTrOMaNIaC]

Okay, before I start this topic I don't want everyone being all brand loyal and bashing. I've been and continue to be a lover of my Nytro.

Well here is the situation. I'm seriously thinking of buying a Doo Renegade Back Country X. Let me explain myself.

First off, I love my Nytro. The ride, fuel mileage, reliability, suspension, and the torque (oh the torque). I was in love with this sled from the first ride. But, I will admit, it does have it's shortcomings as with every sled. Here are the things I don't like.

1. Too short - I ride more off-trail than on and even with a 1.5 intense track the sled just doesn't have the off-trail ability that I desire.

2. Towing - I just finished my cabin and am planning more rides up there with the family next season. I need to be able to tow gas, food, etc up to the camp, and I just can't see doing that with the Nytro. I have towed with it this season, but I don't think it's made for it.

3. Weight - As much as I bought in to all the articles about the Nytro being the same weight as the old rev I just can't get over the weight when riding off trail. If you keep the momentum up, the sled will go anywhere. The power and 1.5 inch track push the sled through the snow with ease but if you are picking around or have to stop on any incline the sled gets stuck and is heavy. I think its a combination of the weight in the front end and the approach angle, but instead of moving forward, the back just sinks.

So here are my options:

A) Hang on to the Nytro and put up with the few shortcomings. The sled rides great and the engine is a star.

B) Extend the Nytro out to 136. I've read mixed reviews on this and although the track will have more footprint, it won't overcome the approach angle and weight

C) Purchase an 08 or 09 Renegade used and add the 1.75 inch track. Given the rise in the prices of all sleds for next year, this is the cheapest way to get a 1.75 inch renegade, but finding an X model will be hard, and adding aftermarket shocks and a 1.75 track + electric start is a $2000 venture so what are you saving in the long run.

D) Buy the Back country X, which in my opinion is the perfect sled for our climate. We have hills and lots of boondocking country. Our snow levels aren't enough to justify a mountain sled as a main choice for me so the BCX Rene is the perfect sled. It doesn't have EFI which sucks, but it has everything I want in a sled (X shocks, 136 x 1.75 track, lightweight).

What do I do? or not Doo

OK, here's what I think....

1. You obviously have too much snow over there Goddo, so send it this way, and your problem is solved.

2. Get one of the guys with the Tundras to give ya a hand towing the major stuff in to camp early on before the big bombs hit, feed them before, during, and after, perhaps a couple suds too, and away ya go. You can always run the smaller backpack loads in throughout the year.

3. Refer to #1

Personally, I say you should get a new FX Nytro MTX SE 153 and go with a 1.75" track. That shock package, new rear approach angle, and lighter weight factor is just what you guys need over there in the Hills. You'll more than likely get the best trade for your shorty towards the same brand too, unless you already have someone in mind that would buy your sled privately. I always keep a close eye on the competition just like you, but so far, after riding the others, I haven't found a better overall package that suits my riding style more appropriately. Like you said, they all have their shortcomings, just some a lot more than others.

Good Luck

 

[Topgun]

Too bad Ulmer didn't make his billet 144 rails still. He does however sell the extensions that are real tough and do use full length sliders. Use the 144x1.75 backcountry and believe me you will be happy. I did this in 08 a month into the winter, I was in the same boat as you. I love the sled now. It will jump right outta the snow and is good for all conditions. Don't do the 136 extension and move the skid back to do a 144. The front end gets real heavy and the sled will NOT hook.
The 144 length feels just like a 136, think about it, you are 4 inch's farther out the back, not alot, but it does give you more floatation. Put a 6.9 ski on , like a pilot and the diff on the front end is amazing.
Doesn't take much to get this sled where you want it.

 

[arteeex]

The real reason for you to not get the Ski-doo, the reason not yet articulated is; we won't talk to you any more. You'll be dead to us, man.

Now ask yourself; is this something I'm prepared to live with, can a Ski-doo really replace my peeps

Certainly, we don't think this is the case.

 

[stewartb]

I spent my fair share of money and time tweaking my two XTXs. In the end, the very best mod money I spent was the money I handed the Ski Doo dealer for two new Renegades. Riding is more fun now. And fun is my reason for riding in the first place. I know some guys here won't like reading that, but it's the honest truth.

SB

 

[UP Brett]

Top gun no offence but I have a hard time keeping the sleds front end on the ground as the previous owner had it set, with the skid stretched to 136" and moved back for a 144".
I haven't rode a xtx but have rode nytros before. This is the worst for bringing the front end up.
I have made a few small changes, limiter strap, rear springs, compression on rear shocks. Those are just a few changes I have made to try to keep the front down. Now the snows gone, so I'll have to finish tuning next season.

 

[mtdream]

Okay, before I start this topic I don't want everyone being all brand loyal and bashing. I've been and continue to be a lover of my Nytro.

Well here is the situation. I'm seriously thinking of buying a Doo Renegade Back Country X. Let me explain myself.

First off, I love my Nytro. The ride, fuel mileage, reliability, suspension, and the torque (oh the torque). I was in love with this sled from the first ride. But, I will admit, it does have it's shortcomings as with every sled. Here are the things I don't like.

1. Too short - I ride more off-trail than on and even with a 1.5 intense track the sled just doesn't have the off-trail ability that I desire.

2. Towing - I just finished my cabin and am planning more rides up there with the family next season. I need to be able to tow gas, food, etc up to the camp, and I just can't see doing that with the Nytro. I have towed with it this season, but I don't think it's made for it.

3. Weight - As much as I bought in to all the articles about the Nytro being the same weight as the old rev I just can't get over the weight when riding off trail. If you keep the momentum up, the sled will go anywhere. The power and 1.5 inch track push the sled through the snow with ease but if you are picking around or have to stop on any incline the sled gets stuck and is heavy. I think its a combination of the weight in the front end and the approach angle, but instead of moving forward, the back just sinks.

So here are my options:

A) Hang on to the Nytro and put up with the few shortcomings. The sled rides great and the engine is a star.

B) Extend the Nytro out to 136. I've read mixed reviews on this and although the track will have more footprint, it won't overcome the approach angle and weight

C) Purchase an 08 or 09 Renegade used and add the 1.75 inch track. Given the rise in the prices of all sleds for next year, this is the cheapest way to get a 1.75 inch renegade, but finding an X model will be hard, and adding aftermarket shocks and a 1.75 track + electric start is a $2000 venture so what are you saving in the long run.

D) Buy the Back country X, which in my opinion is the perfect sled for our climate. We have hills and lots of boondocking country. Our snow levels aren't enough to justify a mountain sled as a main choice for me so the BCX Rene is the perfect sled. It doesn't have EFI which sucks, but it has everything I want in a sled (X shocks, 136 x 1.75 track, lightweight).

What do I do? or not Doo

sorry, this shocked me... been a while since I heard "extend...to 136..." in the mountians we dont have weiners that short

if your getting stuck that easily, you have several issues happening...ski pressure is not set up right, the 1.5" track is NOT a track for pow...and/or you are spinning the track to start, and might be worth setting your clutching up for lower RPM engagement so you can creep more...

the only time my sled gets stuck is operator error...granted mine is a little longer and the paddles are a little taller...and well oh yeah that boost thing helps too

 

[eightpilot]

Don't DOO it...lol