TD tunes and HP ratings.

[Fleecer]

Thanks Fleecer,i don't have a choice on muffler,it is what came in my kit from Ulmer,well he asked which one I wanted,but mine is not as bad as you would think,ya at 9000 rpms on a driveby,it may sound louder than stock for sure,but even in cement garage floor,its not crazy loud at all,so given that I can only have woody,s down load one tune,because I cant afford the bundle,which I understand would be the best way to go,but I just don't have that option.So is your max 17 the quick spool or the other max 17 tune? Funny thing one of them requires 91-94 and the other just 91,but I general I run 93 always,plus carry Torco and lucas,when I have lucas,and I have extra 2 gal. of 93 in tail bag and belt.

I don' run Max Spool 17 as it came out after i tuned and requires 3 bar map as well. You could always fill your extra gas can with race fuel which would really help in a pinch.

For some, monitoring fuel octane every tank can become a chore and hence you should also consider power trail in your decision due to its tolerance to bad fuel.

Depends who you ride with. The only thing faster than a tuned turbo is another tuned turbo.

 

[74Nitro]

Just a note on adding race fuel. One of my friends used to have an 800 Polaris with the knock light, and the knock light worked surprisingly well. Unless he could get 93-94 octane, the light would come on on long pulls, and sometimes also come on with 94 octane. With 91 octane, it would come on even faster. So, at the start of the year he would buy a 5 gallon can of 116 race gas. Just adding 1 gallon of this, to a full tank of 91 completely eliminated all knock, and he said he was also able to lean out the map with the power commander and still have no knock.
So his conclusion was, in his words to me "you won't believe how much knock is eliminated by just adding a small amount of race gas to your tank"
After the Polaris he moved up to the 1100 Turbo.

 

[DooZ]

Just a note on adding race fuel. One of my friends used to have an 800 Polaris with the knock light, and the knock light worked surprisingly well. Unless he could get 93-94 octane, the light would come on on long pulls, and sometimes also come on with 94 octane. With 91 octane, it would come on even faster. So, at the start of the year he would buy a 5 gallon can of 116 race gas. Just adding 1 gallon of this, to a full tank of 91 completely eliminated all knock, and he said he was also able to lean out the map with the power commander and still have no knock.
So his conclusion was, in his words to me "you won't believe how much knock is eliminated by just adding a small amount of race gas to your tank"
After the Polaris he moved up to the 1100 Turbo.

All these "hot" tunes/programs require good fuel, and alot of times more than what you can get from the pump. These motors ain't cheap, a little race fuel, or octane booster goes a long way in protecting the heart of the beast. This may be a WI thing, but IMO any program stating 91 safe and above, gets some type of octane boost...our 91 sucks...this opinion comes from the last 6 years of turbo sled ownership...lol

 

[MDGFLHR]

Pete,
I hope someone else chimes in and answers, but I'll throw in my 5 cents if I may. IMO....the answer to your question lies in how long you hold it wot? Trail riding with a snap here and there will run on 91. Rr bed running with a wot pull 3000 feet fine on 93 as long as conditions are hard. I wouldn't hold it as long if i were and in 4 feet of snow climbing a mountain.

Holding 1 mile or more I like to be 95 or higher to be safe. Time is as important as distance in my opinion. Holding it for a mile on the ice is less detrimental than 1/2 mile in 4ft of powder.

Now let's talk mufflers as I have 3; stock mod muffler, turbo dynamics super quiet, and OSP racing which is similar to the turbo dynamics turboflow muffler. In my opinion, the turbo dynamics super quiet muffler is the best all-around muffler one can buy. Although the turboflow Muffler makes more power, the difference is negligible. Going from 277 horse to 285 horse is barely noticeable when you are at these horsepower levels. In my opinion, there are more gains to be had in clutching and gearing than from switching from muffler to muffler. Is a high flowing exhaust faster?? Absolutely, but when trail riding, in my opinion, not worth the extra noise.

Had my SQ on the other day and pulled up to gas station with no snow in the parking lot to supress the noise. Two Wardens were fueling side by side when I arrived. One asked me, "How's it going??" I replied, "Stupendous...how you doing Sir!!" They couldn't tell......TD calls it Super Quiet for a reason!!!

Just my personal opinions.....I represent no one but myself here. Please inquire with your favorite tuner for verification.

Just curious where you were riding when meeting up with the wardens? I'm running a SQ here in Maine and have yet to see a warden and wonder if I'll get bagged or not. When I first got it I thought for sure it was way louder but now 2 of my buddies bought winders and when riding together I really didn't think there was a noticeable difference except maybe when really getting into it.

 

[Fleecer]

Just curious where you were riding when meeting up with the wardens? I'm running a SQ here in Maine and have yet to see a warden and wonder if I'll get bagged or not. When I first got it I thought for sure it was way louder but now 2 of my buddies bought winders and when riding together I really didn't think there was a noticeable difference except maybe when really getting into it.

If you let 2 winders idle side by side....one with SQ and the other with stock muffler, the SQ will be a little bit louder. Arriving at a checkpoint alone slow speeds, the SQ won't attract any attention. However running SQ at 9k rpm....all bets are off, as it is definitely louder at these speeds.

 

[snowbeast]

If you let 2 winders idle side by side....one with SQ and the other with stock muffler, the SQ will be a little bit louder. Arriving at a checkpoint alone slow speeds, the SQ won't attract any attention. However running SQ at 9k rpm....all bets are off, as it is definitely louder at these speeds.

Hi fleecer,let me say I have not seen one warden this year in shin/pond patten area,but did hear from motorhead that over the race weekend at shin pond,they were checking side winders with a tape measure. So yesterday we went into our town hall,and asked for the rule book for 2017/2018 and they never got any from state of Maine for this year,if you want one you have to access there website to get any info you need about snowmobile laws in 2018 Maine trails,i call this BS on there part,it seems as though,they are writing them as they go along.

 

[Fleecer]

Hi fleecer,let me say I have not seen one warden this year in shin/pond patten area,but did hear from motorhead that over the race weekend at shin pond,they were checking side winders with a tape measure. So yesterday we went into our town hall,and asked for the rule book for 2017/2018 and they never got any from state of Maine for this year,if you want one you have to access there website to get any info you need about snowmobile laws in 2018 Maine trails,i call this BS on there part,it seems as though,they are writing them as they go along.

Don't quote me but I believe the law states that the exhaust being used must have the sscc stamp on it. In our case, this stamp is on the insulation cover. Some are wrapping aftermarket mufflers with stock insulator to keep the sscc stamp. The issue lies with the guy that takes a loud muffler, wraps it with the stock insulator bearing the sscc stamp and feels he is in compliance.

This has become a game of cat and mouse where a Warden can plainly tell the muffler is rudely loud yet has the stamp is on it. Hence, they have had to adjust their operations accordingly and have started measuring outlets.

At the end of the day, Wardens are doing there job and protecting our sport and trail access. I've had the snowmobile trails traverse my land and can attest to the aggravation caused by some punk running a can on his 2 smoke at 3am. If I wasn't an avid snowmobiler I would have shut the trail immediately and can certainly empathize with those that do.

I try and be reasonable and find the SQ to fit the bill. It does not garner attention if used respectfully, yet when out in the bush it speaks to me and performs well to boot.

When I bought my tune, a muffler was mandatory, now there are tunes that run with stock muffler. This is the way to go if you ride in populated areas. Unfortunately, I can't go back as i already hacked my stock muffler, but if I could, I would take this route and have a sleeper that is silent, but deadly!!!

Just my 5 cents....

 

[Turbo Dynamics]

Saw a reply on a post yesterday, it was a copy and paste from TD’s Facebook. It listed the tunes and hp ratings.
Want to know what the sm tunes put out. On that post reply the sm-eco was 240, and the sm-Powertrail was 250 hp.

I now have the TD Eco tune for modded stock muffler @ 245 hp, next step with that msm is Powertrail for 262 hp.

I had heard 260hp for the sm Powertrail from another, and wondering what it really is ?

Where to for that listed info?

Ecotrail SM (stock muffler) 240, Powertrail SM 250, Powertrail SMM (stock mod muffler) 260

 

[Motorhead]

Ecotrail SM (stock muffler) 240, Powertrail SM 250, Powertrail SMM (stock mod muffler) 260

Thanks for the response. I was trying to make sure that I was not going backwards with hp.

And I did not. Woody hooked me up with your upgrade from ecotrail Smm to your new Max spool 16 sm. Noticeable power difference for sure. And the added cluster functions of knock light and Boost gauge are sweeeeeeeet!

 

[snowbeast]

Ecotrail SM (stock muffler) 240, Powertrail SM 250, Powertrail SMM (stock mod muffler) 260

Ben,could I run max spool 16 with my CAI and sandale 3" on 91 or should I sell my sandale and get SM and if need be mod that some? What is the max PSI on the max spool 16 with CAI and Mod Muffler?

 

[WVTurboLTX]

I don't think the Max 16 is for anything other than stock muffler and cai. If you have a muffler then you run the Max 17 tunes.

 

[snowbeast]

I don't think the Max 16 is for anything other than stock muffler and cai. If you have a muffler then you run the Max 17 tunes.

Do you mean a stock muffler with cai and max 17? But than I would have to carry torco and always run good 93,i ran into trouble with 93 this past weekend in Houlton,at an very active truck stop,and a very bussy sled top off to,they don't have 91 just 87,89 and 93 got a gal plus of water from them sat.

 

[WVTurboLTX]

Do you mean a stock muffler with cai and max 17? But than I would have to carry torco and always run good 93,i ran into trouble with 93 this past weekend in Houlton,at an very active truck stop,and a very bussy sled top off to,they don't have 91 just 87,89 and 93 got a gal plus of water from them sat.

No, I'm saying max 16 is only designed to run with the stock muffler. Ben mentioned making a version for a free flowing muffler but later said that there was no demand for it. What you are describing is why I got the flasher. I can always turn it down if I can't get good fuel.

 

[Blue Dave]

so the max spool 17 is a 91 octane tune? has anyone seen any knock with this running 91 right from the pump?

I trail ride the TD Max Spool 17 with TD CAI, TD Turbo Force muffler, Turbo Smart BOV, & GAP 3 Bar MAP sensor. I used to think that I needed 93 octane & a half can (16 oz) of Torco but I have been fine with 91 octane and a half can of Torco for trail riding. I suspect that I could get by with straight good quality 91 octane fuel if I trail rode with no long full throttle pulls but I put the Torco in just to be safe and it is easy to carry a can in my tunnel bag.

The key thing here is to get fresh quality fuel. Trail riding with short bursts of full throttle requires less octane than long full throttle lake pulls. You probably are fine with good fresh 91 octane fuel when trail riding Max Spool 17. Perhaps Ben can chime in?