Traction set-up questions

[1nc 2000]

The storm 150 tracks are known for throwing lugs off.
Too many studs and spin or skate.
Too little studs and good traction always equals rip outs.
Telling a person to go with too little studs for trail riding and drive it like you stole it will for sure equal rip outs.
Drag racing is something I dont do.
If I was running drags I would go his route for short lug r track and long studs.

 

[Hammer70]

The storm 150 tracks are known for throwing lugs off.
Too many studs and spin or skate.
Too little studs and good traction always equals rip outs.
Telling a person to go with too little studs for trail riding and drive it like you stole it will for sure equal rip outs.
Drag racing is something I dont do.
If I was running drags I would go his route for short lug r track and long studs.

What’s considered to little?

 

[Doc Harley]

1.5" RIP II for the win. Nothing compares.

 

[Trailleader]

I said not to ride it like a 600. Also when is there too many studs? Too little? I ran 24 in my 1988 Indy trail! lol
Have you tested your theory’s? I’ve run both ways and I’m sharing what I’ve found.
Also why would you buy a track known for throwing lugs? That’s interesting in itself!

 

[1nc 2000]

What’s considered to little?

Well, that was original question to trailleader but he gave me a bs answer.

 

[Trailleader]

I did? I’m running 128 studs in 137 with doubles in middle and outside singles every third lug. All angled backers
I ran 192 prior and they were more prone to rip outs it seemed when all single standard backers.

Both were using 1.63 triggers in 1 inch track
128 angled hooked harder everywhere
300 hp 998
When racing we’ve run 1.86 in one inch

 

[1nc 2000]

I didnt hear about the storm 150 throwing lugs until about my second year of running it.

 

[1nc 2000]

I did? I’m running 128 studs in 137 with doubles in middle and outside singles every third lug. All angled backers
I ran 192 prior and they were more prone to rip outs it seemed when all single standard backers.

Both were using 1.63 triggers in 1 inch track
128 angled hooked harder everywhere
300 hp 998
When racing we’ve run 1.86 in one inch

Sounds good.

 

[1nc 2000]

1.5" RIP II for the win. Nothing compares.

Looking for something to work well trail riding.

Back country 1.75 hooked unstudded up good except on harder trails it would just spin due to the stiff lugs.
Storm 150 1.5 studded was a good set up for trail riding in most conditions I ride in. It was good off trail also.
Don't know if the ripsaw 2 will hook up as good due to the narrower lugs .
If the storm 150 two ply was more durable I would buy another one.
Always open to hear what other people experiences with these tracks are.
Most likely will stud next track also.

 

[Hammer70]

I did? I’m running 128 studs in 137 with doubles in middle and outside singles every third lug. All angled backers
I ran 192 prior and they were more prone to rip outs it seemed when all single standard backers.

Both were using 1.63 triggers in 1 inch track

128 angled hooked harder everywhere
300 hp 998
When racing we’ve run 1.86 in one inch

Thanks for info

 

[DMCTurbo]

Not as fast as the larger quantity of studs do.
You have to ride like you have hp and not like they’re 600s.

Agree 100%, if your going to bar it after every corner where the trail is worn down to dirt and rocks you'll tear them out. You have to be smart.

 

[Simplespeed]

The one thing I have learned over the years is their are numerous ways to reach a certain goal with studding base on many factors…. Horsepower, power bands, clutching, suspension, gearing, tracks , lugs, conditions all effect type, lenght and number of studs… Changing one or two of these can effect your performance… Conditions always change so that means it don’t take much else to effect your set up… Spinning the track and then when it catches and you feel that jolt is when the damage is done… Thats when you damage lugs, have stud tear outs, bend or break studs, break chains, break shafts, bend crankshafts and can do other damage.. On a correctly set up suspension with proper Spring/ Shock compression and rebound settings you can get to a good set up with less studs as long as you have enough penetration to prevent spinning.. This is what Trailleader is telling you guys that want to race on ice.. I don’t doubt it works well for lake racing…

 

[KnappAttack]

I did? I’m running 128 studs in 137 with doubles in middle and outside singles every third lug. All angled backers
I ran 192 prior and they were more prone to rip outs it seemed when all single standard backers.

Both were using 1.63 triggers in 1 inch track
128 angled hooked harder everywhere
300 hp 998
When racing we’ve run 1.86 in one inch

That’s making sense now. Doubles have less tear outs. Doubles also hook up much better. Myself I hate singles and only use them where you have too.

People think I’m crazy using doubles in the outside bands. I’ve had zero doubles tear out. Only one single tear out myself but have seen plenty singles tear out.

 

[Doc Harley]

Simplespeed, I am the newest here to try and engage and understand.
Maximum effort for available horsepower & traction is easier than I thought. Not being cocky at all.
It's a simple recipe with a little dance of back and forth, based on surface conditions (mostly)
It's absolutely amazing. The closer I get to understanding conditions the easier it becomes. With one exception, conditions may only last an hour or two before they morph into something else due to temperature.
With morning temps @ 15°f and 30°f @ noon, you could only imagine the headaches.
Is the sun beaming? Cloud cover?
Good times...yet very rewarding.

 

[1nc 2000]

I did? I’m running 128 studs in 137 with doubles in middle and outside singles every third lug. All angled backers
I ran 192 prior and they were more prone to rip outs it seemed when all single standard backers.

Both were using 1.63 triggers in 1 inch track
128 angled hooked harder everywhere
300 hp 998
When racing we’ve run 1.86 in one inch

Have any pictures of this setup?
Thanks