What's the truth of the matter?

[Traildemon]

If you are a high mileage rider keep it stock. The stock clutch performs well under almost all conditions.

Super tune HH clutch kits reduce clutch life considerably. The smaller diameter rollers wear faster than normal especially with the narrow load bearing surface of the HH weights. You have a mess when the rollers shatter. The higher RPM contributes to oil burning.

ECP kits are very expensive and plug with snow. You have to watch for the snow build up under continiously changing conditions. Many riders experienced loss of top speed. Their answer was to turn the motor faster.

A onened air box with 170 mains and a ventury extractor for the crank case breather will give more trail performance than the ECP air kit.
WHAT ????? :?
I Have 03 RX-1 w/ ECP kit & HH (weights only-stock helix) in the primary, silver spring in the secondary, 165 jets.Runs MUCH better then stock (although sled was never run against a clock) sled comes off the line at 10,200 & cilimbs to 10,400 (this is where I want to be right guys ?)although it doesn't seem to want to go over 115 m.p.h. (on snow) it uses little oil & gets as good or better m.p.g. then stock

 

[wolfie]

I agree on the potential of this resource. But in this thread alone, we already have some disagreement over the the points I raised, and that was the idea of the post itself. Some are raising questions about the HH's durability, and another claims the ECP kits plug with snow. If that is indeed the case, I have no interest in compromising my sled like that, when the consensus is that the sleds clutching and gearing are pretty damn tight. All too many times, I've seen guys bolt on all this snake oil, and slow their sled down. About the only thing I know is a given is the secondary machining trick, which has held true for Yammy clutches for years, nothing new there. The other stuff, seems like the jury is still out. I'd love to hear what Supertuner and company have for results. Please understand I've done cold air kits, reeds, studs, pipes, head shaves, clutch shaves, and more clutch setups than I can remember over the years. It's not like I never got wrapped up in the hopup game, but these days, I'm just too cynical to just follow some blind hype.

 

[Mighty]

:ORC scooby is the only one questioning these mods :ORC

 

[QCRider]

Fact: User after user have confirmed that both Heavy Hitter clutching calibrated to Matt and Jeffs specs and ECP's air kit work period! Both independently and even better when both are used together

Mighty, I would not argue that they made sleds quicker. However, you absolutely DO give something up. I guarantee for instance that the belt wears faster with Heavy Hitters in place. Or like Scooby said of the filters, you have to be aware of snow buildup on them, and they are louder than stock. Does that mean they don't work? No. Or that they aren't worth the investment? That depends on your individual wants and needs. People should not take it so personally when someone asks questions about these mods. There are an awful lot of REALLY loud two strokes out the that someone put a can on because it was going to make it faster, when the truth is that it mostly makes it SOUND faster. I bought a D&D clutch kit for my Cat 800 and it sucked, it was the biggest waste of $250 I have ever experienced. So you will have to forgive me if I am a bit soured on the aftermarket mod experience.

Aside from that, if they work for you great,why do you feel threatened when someone asks questions about them? That said, I am quite anxiously awaiting the pictures of the hood on one of the new MOD Airbox that Freddie has been working on. You see, sometimes it is possible that the only thing you give up is money, and I recognize that too. So if what Freddie has come up with is simply something that would have been difficult or expensive for Yamaha to do, it makes sense that it would work and have no negative effects...

 

[Tom-RX1]

Not the only one . A lot of cost and not much change.
Tom-RX1

 

[SISCAKIDD]

Last year i bought my warrior in late february and i rode it stock.then i rode buster696's warrior with the mods we have been talking about and the differnce was amazing,it acellerated alot harder than my stock warrior,and had better top end. we rode in all kinds of conditions including a 1000 mile trip in quebec and he had zero problems and i can't remember any sled beating him in a drag race. he now has a turbo and i paid good money to buy all those parts that don't really work. the kit works period.

 

[welterracer]

Last year i bought my warrior in late february and i rode it stock.then i rode buster696's warrior with the mods we have been talking about and the differnce was amazing,it acellerated alot harder than my stock warrior,and had better top end. we rode in all kinds of conditions including a 1000 mile trip in quebec and he had zero problems and i can't remember any sled beating him in a drag race. he now has a turbo and i paid good money to buy all those parts that don't really work. the kit works period.

YOU SAID IT ALL RIGHT HERE!!

MATT(BBY)--OWNER-- OF THE SPEED SHOP--- sells supertune kits purchased from Simons CPR... THese kit he has tested, tested,tested over and over and He has personally Kicked some #*$&@ in the real world!!(he is a AWSOME TUNER OF THESE KITS) and when you purchase from him he supplies at no cost, the option to call him at anytime and he will help you tune your kit to your specific needs!! GREAT GUY!!

ANYONE WHO SAYS THE KITS DONT DO THERE JOB IS PLAIN LYING!! but like anything when you build something up- you beat on it harder and eventually things will wear out and or break (COMPLETELY EXPECTED)

If you want to leave your sled stock----LEAVE IT STOCK AND DONT F*CK WITH IT!!

 

[Mighty]

[quote="QCRider People should not take it so personally when someone asks questions about these mods.
Aside from that, if they work for you great,why do you feel threatened when someone asks questions about them? [/quote]


First: I don't take it personally, and I undersatnd the nay sayers but you guys need to realize these mods have been extensivly tested by many members on this site including me.
Second: I don't feel threatened, just kinda irratated that we are answering the same questions all over again to a bunch of newbies.

However, I can understand where they are coming from because of all the add big HP gimmicks on the market.

I guess the best advice I can give is for the guys with questions to use the search feature on this site and go find all the many posts of the real-world testing guys on this site have done.

 

[SUPERTUNER]

I guess the best advice I can give is for the guys with questions to use the search feature on this site and go find all the many posts of the real-world testing guys on this site have done.

That has got to be the best advice I have heard EVER on any website I have ever visited!

I understand that some are new and deserve to ask questions but I am not going to start all this all over again when the data and information is right here for the reading.

Wolfie states that he wants to see some data. (basically proof) I have invited you to my shop..right in the very same state that you live in already. You failed to take me up on that offer. If you don't want to make the effort, don't expect anyone else to make the effort either.

You guys to understand that posting things repeatedly on message boards is expensive for buys like me that own high performance shops. You never think about this because this is your pasttime. I have made all the ffort that I can afford to on the subject of my air kits. Anything beyond what has already been said, and I am afraid that I am going to have to ask you to become a client of mine. There is only so much information that could be given away for free and I think I have been quite gracious.

Scoobie states that my air kits are expensive??? What rock did you crawl out from under? They are a bargain for the massive power gains that you get. If they are not for you, I could live with that. Furthermore, if you are not prepared to perform regular maintenance, then don't buy a snowmobile, motorcycle, automobile, boat, airplane, train, ATV, trailer, helicopter, or whatever.

This bit of "prophecy" is not directed at anyone in particular but some should definately give some creedence to it: "It is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt".

Enough said...Peace.

Freddie

 

[Mighty]

 

[BlueByYou2000]

A couple points

Quality and Durability of Heavy Hitters
These weights have been spin tested to 17,000 RPM. In all my years using and tuning them, I have never seen them fail in any clutch. Id challenge anyone on this site to show me a post where ANYONE has had a failure caused by Heavy Hitters.

Roller life
The Heavy Hitter does have a narrower profile than stock weights at the point of contact at the roller. I remember Dukester talking the same thing scooby is about roller life, however Dan (Dukester) up till this point was the only customer to call and comment about roller life. The Rollers used in the Supertune kits are a genuine Yamaha part and is used in some Yamaha models as standard equipment.

Longevity and Maintenence
Continuous cleaning and parts replacement will make your CVT components last much longer and assure you always have the best performance. Im a little different this way in that I replace, Both primary and secondary spring yearly and at that time, also inspect rollers, bushings, slides and replace if necessary. Simple cleaning a couple times a season will help in these 2 areas. You may consider even on a stocker to remove both primary spring and secondary spring in summer months to keep you springs fresh.

For point of reference. Here are a couple posts from Dukester (Sketr2) after he fine tuned his Stage II kit for the wet hay field.

"I feel that I can’t tell what the final setting were since they were very close to the values provided in the stage two kit I purchased from Matt."

"Welter the tweaked M10 was faster on top end until the clutched one was tweaked. With the kit you can tweak differant areas. Yes it is a stage two kit. It will blow your mind on what it will do. Slight adjustment make cool changes."



It would be nice to see Tom add a FAQ section to the site for the new guys

 

[wolfie]

First: I don't take it personally, and I undersatnd the nay sayers but you guys need to realize these mods have been extensivly tested by many members on this site including me.
Second: I don't feel threatened, just kinda irratated that we are answering the same questions all over again to a bunch of newbies.


Sorry, if you feel you are the gatekeeper for your own private little club here. Fact is, I'm pretty well known on several other sled forums, going back to 97, when I first registered my email address, which remains to this day (SRXfreak@comcast.net). I get a chuckle out of guys like you, you don't have anything to offer other than being annoyed or whatever over a "newbie" question, I have a suggestion for you.......ignore the post. I have a sincere interest in finding out what works and what doesn't for the RX1, which I just bought. That also means I am interested in any downside or compromise with these mods.

 

[wolfie]

I guess the best advice I can give is for the guys with questions to use the search feature on this site and go find all the many posts of the real-world testing guys on this site have done.

That has got to be the best advice I have heard EVER on any website I have ever visited!

I understand that some are new and deserve to ask questions but I am not going to start all this all over again when the data and information is right here for the reading.

Wolfie states that he wants to see some data. (basically proof) I have invited you to my shop..right in the very same state that you live in already. You failed to take me up on that offer. If you don't want to make the effort, don't expect anyone else to make the effort either.

You guys to understand that posting things repeatedly on message boards is expensive for buys like me that own high performance shops. You never think about this because this is your pasttime. I have made all the ffort that I can afford to on the subject of my air kits. Anything beyond what has already been said, and I am afraid that I am going to have to ask you to become a client of mine. There is only so much information that could be given away for free and I think I have been quite gracious.

Scoobie states that my air kits are expensive??? What rock did you crawl out from under? They are a bargain for the massive power gains that you get. If they are not for you, I could live with that. Furthermore, if you are not prepared to perform regular maintenance, then don't buy a snowmobile, motorcycle, automobile, boat, airplane, train, ATV, trailer, helicopter, or whatever.

This bit of "prophecy" is not directed at anyone in particular but some should definately give some creedence to it: "It is better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt".

Enough said...Peace.

Freddie

I just picked up the sled on Saturday.......ST......wasnt' interested in making a visit until the thing was in my garage. I'll very well be paying you a visit. BTW, do you do machining services....ala....secondary clutch? Thanks and peace to you too.

 

[SUPERTUNER]

Yes...machine work is one of my "staple items".

 

[Mighty]

If you don't want to go to the expense of a Turbo (ultimate Bang) get Heavy Hitters and a ECP kit. I have put these two mods on two different sleds; 03 RX-1 and a Warrior with zero negative issues, only positive.

If you don't want to take my advice, as I said earlier do a search on these two mods and you will find overwhelming support of both.