XTX inside ski lift solved! Help with heavy steering???

[603NytroXTX]

Okay guys so after the first two weekends of riding ive put about 600 miles on my new to me 09xtx and have loved every mile. Suspension setup is all stock gytr in front and stock shocks in back with hygear torsion spacers and x-click torsion adjusters set on the hardest setting. Rode in all conditions and had issues with some pretty scary inside ski lift so i tightened the limiter strap up one notch and like magic it got rid of 90% of the ski lift but creates a ton of ski pressure and now its like a gym session to get the thing to turn at under 30 mph. It honestly turns like its on rails with the simmons gen 3's with dual 6" carbides. So now i need to work on the heavy steering. I have no problem compromising with a little understeer and i have heard that the oft relocator helps a bit but what are some other suggestions? Ive seen tightening the preload on front skid shock and loosening the transfer rods as well as softening the front suspension spring preload. Also to throw another curveball into the mix my front shocks will be arriving at Hygear for a rebuild and maybe more if they can talk me into it. I am not trying to do a complete steering overhual but simply trying to make it a little easier to get the thing around a corner at slow speeds. thanks guys and sorry for the long winded question but i like my help to be well informed!

 

[Zrxpilot]

Have you tried cranking up your front track shock spring?

 

[Sevey]

My experience with the dual carbide was it made the steering heavy, real heavy. I had a set of doolies for awhile on my '10 Nytro with 5" or 6" of carbide (i forget). Your pushing a big blunt bar through the snow so its not going turn easy. Not to mention all the weight of the front end is reasting on that fat bar.

My opinon is to break the weight up on more keels: ie arrows, the new tuner ski, or split rails. They make a huge difference. They track great, so darting is gone, and the push in corners is almost gone. The split rails stay really grounded and the inside ski lift is almost none existent.

MS

 

[bottlerocket]

Stiffer front shock spring to lighten the front end. Hygear dual rate or Schmidt bros offer them.

 

[yox185]

First off tightening the strap is making it worse, that puts a lot of weight on the skis. I'll tell you my story and you can glean from that what you will. I had, as I'm sure many with the XTX had, the same issues as you. Go into a corner and it feels like you were going to go over the bars on the outside. And add to that steering that felt like you were trying to maneuver a 76 Chevy Vega in a parking lot. So here's what I did. I did the whole Hygear package, I think they called it the sport package. Re-valved all shocks, dual rate center spring, and triple rates up front. I also, per Ross at Hygear, adjusted the transfer rods to max. Doing these things greatly reduced the heavy steering and helped somewhat with the ski lift. I actually ended up re-adjusting the transfer rods because I couldn't keep the skis on the ground. I rode it like that for a year and was happy, ignorance is bliss. I then read this thread XTX settings. It's a long thread, with some disagreements along the way. The first post on the thread, from SJ, is the post to read. I did what he recommended with the fronts, I already had the Hygear springs, so I just did the compression and rebound to zero. That totally flattened out the sled in the corners, if I get on real bumpy trails I give them a click or two. As far as the center shock I left that alone because I had the dual rates and rebuild from Hygear. Read the thread and experiment until you find what works for you.

 

[LeeKo]

The triple rate Hygear springs will help your steering effort and improve the handling. I got my xtx really handling great with the springs and Hygear works setup.

The downside was that I could not get it to not bottom harshly when riding aggressively. I eventually got new shocks. I sold the hygears to my buddy and he really likes them and doesn't have bottoming issues. I was also bottoming the stock setup.

 

[nickleuci]

Are you shifting your weight in the corners? And I don't mean a little lean, really hang off it. It responds well once you figure out that the nytro is not a sit down trail cruiser. It's top heavy.

I did the sj adjustments as well.

 

[Prarie Dawg]

SJs set up was the ticket for me.

 

[603NytroXTX]

So I spoke with the guys at Hygear and they suggested that I go with the triple rate springs. They convinced me to not do a revalve yet and he said that the springs should be able to solve the inside ski lift and allow me to drop the limiter strap back to stock loose and that will lighten the steering up to where it was before. I am skeptical about how much they will actually help and look forward to testing them out.

 

[mewaschuk]

So I spoke with the guys at Hygear and they suggested that I go with the triple rate springs. They convinced me to not do a revalve yet and he said that the springs should be able to solve the inside ski lift and allow me to drop the limiter strap back to stock loose and that will lighten the steering up to where it was before. I am skeptical about how much they will actually help and look forward to testing them out.

same advice they give to racers, so i'd trust it.

 

[gc_srt]

Which position are you in for your skis? They have 4 differnt mounting location (V4 mount I believe) for the Gen 3's. I am in the 3rd one from the back and it works well. The more forward you mount the skis, the harder it is to use them.

 

[603NytroXTX]

My ski's are in the second hole from the front. So maybe after i get my shocks back with the triple rates and loosen up the limiter strap i will try the third hole from the front to see if that helps. I totally forgot about that! Thanks!

 

[fasteddie]

I have Curve xs. Skis on my FX and have it dialed in, corners like nothing I have ever rode in 25 yrs. It took me a full season to get it to this point. All springs are stock front shock springs are loosened till they rattle then add 1 turn. This is with the weight off the skis.
The front strap is factory setting all the way out. Rear torsion springs soft. Rear strap pulled 1 hole. With that setup the curves were heavy to steer so just tightened the center shock bit by bit to the point where it would push in the corners then backed it off 1 turn and it's been amazing!!!!

This week did the OFT relocater and it made the bigest difference in the heavy steering!!!! JUST DO IT!!!! You won't regret it!!!