Yamaha has new sleds coming

[rtx moose]

Patent Public Search | USPTO

pdfaiw.uspto.gov

 

[earthling]

Batteries dont like -20. Heard yesterday it takes 20,000 acres of solar panels to power 4 tesla chargers. But not at night! lol
Reality escapes so many.

Is that from facebook? I am pretty sure someone has their math sideways. An average charge for a tesla is 36KWh and the average owner charges 4-5x per month. You only need enough panels to supply the constant demand (current). Tesla has worked this out that they plan to pull all superchargers off the grid over the next 5 years and there are over 24000 chargers in the network. For the average commuter, it comes out to about 20 panels to completely wean yourself off of any energy costs to run your Tesla. There are several guys at work that do just that. In 5 years that number may look more like 10-15, and we may eventually get down to half a dozen. Not arguing about cost or whether solar or anything else is the answer, just saying that the power is there, use it, its free and can supply more than your vehicle. The reality is that fossil fuels are a commodity with a fixed lifespan. The future is electrical. How will we generate it is the question.

 

[twyztid]

I wonder if anything will ever happen with the patent Yamaha has for a carbon fiber reinforced chassis (or at least tunnel).

US9260160B1 - Snowmobile - Google Patents

A snowmobile includes a vehicle body frame including a tunnel portion extending in a vehicle front-rear direction. The tunnel portion includes a top wall made of a carbon fiber-reinforced plastic material, a left side wall made of a carbon fiber-reinforced plastic material, a right side wall...

patents.google.com

 

[RAMSOMAIR]

That should be cheap?

 

[earthling]

That should be cheap?

I don't know about cheap... but it looks to be a lot fewer manufacturing steps than any current chassis. It is a molded plastic frame with carbon fiber reinforcement (carbon fibers throughout the plastic like glass filled nylon). There is a lot of ductwork built into the bulkhead and the tunnel that serves to cool both water (engine) and air (intercooler) through exposure to snow from the track. It was probably a thought exercise but they went into a bit of detail in the patent filing.

 

[Upstater57]

Is that from facebook? I am pretty sure someone has their math sideways. An average charge for a tesla is 36KWh and the average owner charges 4-5x per month. You only need enough panels to supply the constant demand (current). Tesla has worked this out that they plan to pull all superchargers off the grid over the next 5 years and there are over 24000 chargers in the network. For the average commuter, it comes out to about 20 panels to completely wean yourself off of any energy costs to run your Tesla. There are several guys at work that do just that. In 5 years that number may look more like 10-15, and we may eventually get down to half a dozen. Not arguing about cost or whether solar or anything else is the answer, just saying that the power is there, use it, its free and can supply more than your vehicle. The reality is that fossil fuels are a commodity with a fixed lifespan. The future is electrical. How will we generate it is the question.

Great information. Question? Don't solar panels have a life span and loss of efficiency as they age?

 

[earthling]

Great information. Question? Don't solar panels have a life span and loss of efficiency as they age?

Yes they do but the better ones (LG,Solaria,etc) come with a performance warranty for 10 years at 90% output and 25 years at 80% output. Actual life could be 40-50 years. Payback cycles are 7-10 years depending on sizing, efficiency, and whether or not the system is properly scaled. During which time Yamaha will have introduced 500 sets of BNG across the product line, there..back on topic

 

[Upstater57]

Yes they do but the better ones (LG,Solaria,etc) come with a performance warranty for 10 years at 90% output and 25 years at 80% output. Actual life could be 40-50 years. Payback cycles are 7-10 years depending on sizing, efficiency, and whether or not the system is properly scaled. During which time Yamaha will have introduced 500 sets of BNG across the product line, there..back on topic

THANK YOU !

Back on topic.

 

[rtx moose]

Is that from facebook? I am pretty sure someone has their math sideways. An average charge for a tesla is 36KWh and the average owner charges 4-5x per month. You only need enough panels to supply the constant demand (current). Tesla has worked this out that they plan to pull all superchargers off the grid over the next 5 years and there are over 24000 chargers in the network. For the average commuter, it comes out to about 20 panels to completely wean yourself off of any energy costs to run your Tesla. There are several guys at work that do just that. In 5 years that number may look more like 10-15, and we may eventually get down to half a dozen. Not arguing about cost or whether solar or anything else is the answer, just saying that the power is there, use it, its free and can supply more than your vehicle. The reality is that fossil fuels are a commodity with a fixed lifespan. The future is electrical. How will we generate it is the question.

What if your riding in a snowstorm and you lose electricity where your riding..I don't think my xp10 jump pack will help get me far,LOL

 

[earthling]

What if your riding in a snowstorm and you lose electricity where your riding..I don't think my xp10 jump pack will help get me far,LOL

Lol. When you are out, you are out. Hope the boots are comfy.

 

[Norse]

Patent Public Search | USPTO

pdfaiw.uspto.gov

Is that an RX1 chassis?

 

[Kascade]

Here is my take on electric vs fossil in general...and more for cars since that's the vast majority of the transportation market, where as snowmobiles are a drop in the bucket. Electric and fossil are different. Neither is inherently better or worse. With current technology, the use case for most snowmobilers leads to gas being the superior option. But technology gets better and electric could well open up the market to new consumers, or those who a 50km mile day of riding is all they do. Internal combustion engines have had a century to be refined, not to mention for the distribution network to be built out. The whole "but you can't build that many electric chargers!" arguement is 10000% BUNK. Imagine starting from scratch, which would be easier to build out: a system to refine gas, store, distribute across a country, pump, etc or transferring electricity? Electricity by a country mile, but gas has a 100 year head start and infrastructure that is already there that we take for granted. It had to be built at one point though...

The silliest anti-electric car argument I hear is "but then I can't use it for a 2000 mile road trip!" C'mon, seriously? That applies to probably 5% of the car buying public. For the 95% that just use it for transportation around cities, getting to work, running errands, etc. electric is absolutely the better option. Those of us that travel long distances, tow crap, go to the mountains, etc. will be on gas for the foreseeable future. But guess what? Lower the demand on gas from those folks that don't need it, and it should get cheaper for those of us who do...

The entire thing is a dumb argument. Both systems have their pros and cons, and more choice is better. If I could buy 2 awesome electric sleds right now with 100km of range for local riding with wife or a friend, I totally would. I'd also keep my gas sled...

 

[20/80]

I like the concept, there is nothing like the power and torque of a electric engine, used for years and in many vehicles today, Trains, ferries, Subs, just to name a few, its not the motors that are the problem its the power supply, going from gas to electric is about saving the environment and the carbon footprint but they are only creating and passing on another problem, how do you dispose of lithium batteries, I know that most can be recycled but in the end you can only recycle so many times loosing reliability every time its recycled, now you have a major environmental disposal problem, lithium batteries and solar panels are highly toxic to get rid off, but you never hear that from the green team, you will see slowly more efficient gas engines released in the near future, they have the tech but are held up by big oil companies wanting to sell you oil, in the 1970's a guy in New Brunswick Canada came up with a simple device that could be bolted on any carb in big v8's and v6's that you would loose 10% off your power but would give you 75mpg in a big v8, that's hard to believe isn't it, I was told Imperial Oil bought the patten for a million bucks and it was never heard of again, we will be burning oil and gas in sleds and cars and trucks for along time to come, this electric cars and sleds is just window dressing to shut the greenies up.

 

[sailor joe]

Here is my take on electric vs fossil in general...and more for cars since that's the vast majority of the transportation market, where as snowmobiles are a drop in the bucket. Electric and fossil are different. Neither is inherently better or worse. With current technology, the use case for most snowmobilers leads to gas being the superior option. But technology gets better and electric could well open up the market to new consumers, or those who a 50km mile day of riding is all they do. Internal combustion engines have had a century to be refined, not to mention for the distribution network to be built out. The whole "but you can't build that many electric chargers!" arguement is 10000% BUNK. Imagine starting from scratch, which would be easier to build out: a system to refine gas, store, distribute across a country, pump, etc or transferring electricity? Electricity by a country mile, but gas has a 100 year head start and infrastructure that is already there that we take for granted. It had to be built at one point though...

The silliest anti-electric car argument I hear is "but then I can't use it for a 2000 mile road trip!" C'mon, seriously? That applies to probably 5% of the car buying public. For the 95% that just use it for transportation around cities, getting to work, running errands, etc. electric is absolutely the better option. Those of us that travel long distances, tow crap, go to the mountains, etc. will be on gas for the foreseeable future. But guess what? Lower the demand on gas from those folks that don't need it, and it should get cheaper for those of us who do...

The entire thing is a dumb argument. Both systems have their pros and cons, and more choice is better. If I could buy 2 awesome electric sleds right now with 100km of range for local riding with wife or a friend, I totally would. I'd also keep my gas sled...

if ever the decline in need for gas/ diesel, the refineries will shut down, storage facilities will contract along with exploration...with less need for infrastructure the cost would actually go up for carbon fuel...keeping the pipelines, ships and distribution going for less need would increase the unit cost in my opinion.

 

[earthling]

I like the concept, there is nothing like the power and torque of a electric engine, used for years and in many vehicles today, Trains, ferries, Subs, just to name a few, its not the motors that are the problem its the power supply, going from gas to electric is about saving the environment and the carbon footprint but they are only creating and passing on another problem, how do you dispose of lithium batteries, I know that most can be recycled but in the end you can only recycle so many times loosing reliability every time its recycled, now you have a major environmental disposal problem, lithium batteries and solar panels are highly toxic to get rid off, but you never hear that from the green team, you will see slowly more efficient gas engines released in the near future, they have the tech but are held up by big oil companies wanting to sell you oil, in the 1970's a guy in New Brunswick Canada came up with a simple device that could be bolted on any carb in big v8's and v6's that you would loose 10% off your power but would give you 75mpg in a big v8, that's hard to believe isn't it, I was told Imperial Oil bought the patten for a million bucks and it was never heard of again, we will be burning oil and gas in sleds and cars and trucks for along time to come, this electric cars and sleds is just window dressing to shut the greenies up.

way - too - much - facebook

Every car manufacturer on the planet would pay billions for such a device because it would give them such a huge advantage over the competition. If even one car company had this mystical device the entire conversion to EV would grind to a halt as the success in one company would allow the rest to have a target to achieve. This would allow the car companies to save 10s of billions of dollars on annual R&D, and they would get to tell a story about being more efficient and to not scare people with the conversion to EV. .. But still, despite that, 'Some Guy' invented 'something' that defies physics in multiple ways and 'some oil company' happened to find out about it, a device that has never been recreated despite the billions of dollars in reward money available.. Please.. But some guy in new brunswick figured it out.. ffs.

To give you an idea of how big that reward money could be The following is a table of the amount of money being poured by major car manufacturers into R&D and Production for EV vehicles. These are all numbers committed to the government and wall street (the investors).

Company	Annual $Biilions	Total Budget $Billions	Target Date
BMW	$ 2.3	$ 18.0	2030​
Ford	$ 7.4	$ 22.0	2025​
GM	$ 11.7	$ 35.0	2025​
Hyundai	$ 2.5	$ 7.4	2025​
Jaguar	$ 3.5	$ 28.0	2030​
Mercedes	$ 5.9	$ 47.0	2030​
Nissan	$ 1.2	$ 3.6	2025​
Stellantis	$ 1.3	$ 35.5	2050​
Toyota	$ 5.4	$ 16.0	2025​
Volkswagen (porsche, Audi)	$ 10.8	$ 86.0	2030​
Volvo	$ 1.3	$ 10.0	2030​
Total	$ 53.3	$ 308.5

That is some pretty expensive window dressing..