Yamaha Racing Effort-vent here..lol

[2008 Nytro RTX]

I think the Nytro has a far better chassis then Apex chassis has. Only thing the Apex does is lake racing!

You base this on what experience? How many miles have you logged ridding an Apex? Have you owned an Apex?


Another thing going against Yamaha when racing sno-x, is Numbers! I think there is only 2 Pro riders riding yamaha sleds. That puts the odds of a Yamaha making a good show, a little tougher.
With that being said, I still think they have a long way to go to be competitive. The sled is inferior for racing in sno-x against the other 3 factory race sleds.

Between the past 3 years (06 APex RTX my friend has) I am talking from about 200 miles experience. Other then trail cruising and lake racing the Nytro is a better chassis then the Apex is.

 

[RSVECTORFREAK]

The #1 reason Yamaha is sucking in SnoCross is the 4 stroke weight disadvantage. Sure they come out of the hole like a rocket but in the turns and high jumps they still suck. Too much weight forward from the motor. can anyone tell me they actually like to air out these 4 strokes?? Also notice how they plow in the powder....

 

[Sno-Xr]

"What wins on Sunday sells on Monday" just doesn't fly anymore, especially with sleds. If that were still true, Arctic Cat would be so far in first place no one could touch them after their total dominance in racing in the mid-late '90s and early 2000s. Think about the sheer number of races Team Arctic won with the Hibberts, Morgan, Strege, Pake, Sturgeon, etc. You could fill half the hall of fame with just their drivers alone. Yet their marketshare has actually dropped over the past 10 years.

Sno-X Magazine did a great piece a couple years ago about Ski-Doo and their emergence in sno cross racing with Wolff and Haikonen. It's a long hard road to build a snocross-worthy sled. It took Ski-Doo basically 10 years of trial and error. Lots of work.

Your point is well taken, but it does seem like Cats were everywhere in ealy 2000's and late 90's when they(Blair) was so dominant in Sno-x.
As far as Ski-doo is concerned, during their race efforts Blair Morgan was dominant and light years ahead of anyone on the Sno-x track. But from 2nd place down and on some of the smaller race circuits, Ski-doo was extremely competitive if not dominant.
Polaris has lost their #1 sales spot. Maybe because of their poor showing in Sno-X ?!?! Just a thought, not that I believe this to be true! lol
If yamaha is unable to be reasonably competitive in Sno-X, it will have a negative effect on their sales. Not because they are unable to build a very nice trail sled, but because of the fact they are competing and not being competitive.

 

[copo427ss]

I think the Nytro has a far better chassis then Apex chassis has. Only thing the Apex does is lake racing!

i love my apex. it performs just about as well as my custom zr sno pro did. and i ride crap #*$&@ western ny trails. i stay with all my buds on there revs, poos and fcats. i was never really into snox. where do you find a snox track while your out riding the trails. no where. and if you think that the trails are your personal snox track then your going to hurt yourself and others. my point is that a snox sled is pretty much useless off the track. there are to many variable conditions on the trail, unlike a track.
i ride pretty damn aggressive and i never really cared for the fx nytro. unless i was all balls out through some deep,nasty moguls, i thought they handled like crap. i spent more time trying to figure out which way the sled wanted to go suddenly then actually enjoying the ride. they wre all 08 nytros though. heard 09 was a little better.

 

[NB-NYTRO]

Yamaha needs to take the sled back the drawing board and CAD it. Then cut all the weight out of her in the process and push the engine back closer to under the handle bars. It could be done..

 

[rightarm]

Yamaha Japan has there own Sno x series right in there back door,they race against other manufacturers and I have no doubt that they take a good look at what the competition is doing.

 

[PureBlue]

Yamaha Japan has there own Sno x series right in there back door,they race against other manufacturers and I have no doubt that they take a good look at what the competition is doing.

But over in Japan, the Yamaha racers are winning races, but over here there not. But then again theres about 10 Yamaha sleds on the track to, so there chances of winning are better. http://www.yamaha-motor.jp/snowmobile/w ... /0002.html

 

[sg35]

Speaking strictly from a racing perspective why would anyone want to be in the yamaha camp (at least for snowX)? they have not had a competitive sled in a decade, they don't race the stock class. from a competitor standpoint... why go there? if you truly are a racer then don't you want to win? building something great is far more difficult than maintaining greatness, i understand that, but in this line of work you can't wait to be good, the time is too short. i don't buy stuff based on race wins but if you step back and look at stuff it appears as though yamaha's effort is halfhearted, i'm sure the guys around the team are busting their butt to be good, but it looks as though they are doing it just because they feel they should. that plays into some peoples decisions, and they read on hear about handwarmers, idler wheels, etc. and they think well they stink on the snowx track and they can't take care of little things...i'm buying something else. i think yamaha and the other oem's quite frankly should better promote cross country stuff i think it's the only form of racing closely related to what everyone rides on daily.

 

[T-Bone]

Speaking strictly from a racing perspective why would anyone want to be in the yamaha camp (at least for snowX)? they have not had a competitive sled in a decade, they don't race the stock class. from a competitor standpoint... why go there? if you truly are a racer then don't you want to win? building something great is far more difficult than maintaining greatness, i understand that, but in this line of work you can't wait to be good, the time is too short. i don't buy stuff based on race wins but if you step back and look at stuff it appears as though yamaha's effort is halfhearted, i'm sure the guys around the team are busting their butt to be good, but it looks as though they are doing it just because they feel they should. that plays into some peoples decisions, and they read on hear about handwarmers, idler wheels, etc. and they think well they stink on the snowx track and they can't take care of little things...i'm buying something else. i think yamaha and the other oem's quite frankly should better promote cross country stuff i think it's the only form of racing closely related to what everyone rides on daily.

ditto

 

[jimmie d]

If the OPP and MADD cannot get drunks out of cars
how do you expect to keep them off sleds or wose yet are all the wannabees bragging on the sites how fast they take a corner or blast a trail. This sport will never be safe again aw most seem to have the attitude that they are the next coming of Blair or Tucker and seem intent on proving it every weekend.

Jim

 

[DoktorC]

Between the past 3 years (06 APex RTX my friend has) I am talking from about 200 miles experience. Other then trail cruising and lake racing the Nytro is a better chassis then the Apex is.

Isn't that exactly what the Apex is supposed to be good at?? The Nytro is the "ditch banger" and the Apex is for everyone else....

The only place where Yamaha doesn't shine (YET!!) is on the snowcross track...but honestly...it's only been one full season. It's tough to campain a brand new team with new sleds and win right out of the gate.

 

[wigman1]

I own both a 2007 Apex ER and a 2008 Nytro FX. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. The Nytro is, by far, the best beat 'em trail sled on the market. None of the guys that I ride with can keep up to this powerhouse of a sled. Yes, some handle better through the corners, but they get stomped on the acceleration so badly that they can't keep up. I think better skis/runners would make a huge difference in the cornering. My Nytro is totally stock, no mods. My Apex is a trail cruiser and rides excellent and will blow off just about any sled made after 500 feet. It is the perfect ride, handles nice, runs great, and rides like a Caddy. The big difference I see between the Nytro and Apex is that I get tired riding the Nytro for long distances, while I can go 200 miles on the Apex without wearing out. Yamaha designs these sleds for the TRAIL - the racing effort is secondary to the handling manners experienced on the average trail. If they sold race-ready sleds to the public, you couldn't ride them for 15 minutes without stopping because they would beat the crap out of you. They build excellent quality machines that do what they are designed to do as well as or better than the competition. The big 4 strokes are unrivaled in the industry - there is absolutely no comparison between Yamaha's 4-stroke powerplants and those of any of its' competitors. 17-20mpg out of 1000cc's while putting out first class horsepower? That means a lot to me, dependability is paramount when you are riding up in the Canadian Rockies 100 miles away from the nearest moose. Yammi makes GREAT sleds. Yep, they could be better in some categories, but if you want the best combination of dependability, speed, power, comfort, Yammi is by far your best choice. Remember - lighter sleds ride worse. Heavier sleds ride better. Compare a Cadillac to a Porsche, see which one rides better. I rode a friends 800Rev SkiDoo last week for a few miles, couldn't wait to get back on the old Apex. Just a few points as to what the sleds are designed to do, and it isn't race. They will hold their own against any of the competition in their element on the trails. Period. Wig

 

[Kråkan]

Between the past 3 years (06 APex RTX my friend has) I am talking from about 200 miles experience. Other then trail cruising and lake racing the Nytro is a better chassis then the Apex is.

Isn't that exactly what the Apex is supposed to be good at?? The Nytro is the "ditch banger" and the Apex is for everyone else....

The only place where Yamaha doesn't shine (YET!!) is on the snowcross track...but honestly...it's only been one full season. It's tough to campain a brand new team with new sleds and win right out of the gate.

One full season? Malinoski one year and last year Taylor... And now almoust another year.. The team is not that new and the results were better last year... That imo is the biggest issue... Something is not right if the results arent getting better and better.... Im not saying thay are bad but wierd that the results are that different from one race to the next....

 

[Sno-Xr]

Im not saying thay are bad but wierd that the results are that different from one race to the next....

Alot of that depends on the track itself. If it has a nice long holeshot and has a nice banked first turn, Yamaha has a shot. But on more technical tracks, its a little tougher to throw it around. If I remember right, Malinowski pulled the holeshot and the track had some good straight-a-ways which is where the Yami excells.

 

[Superman]

Its the Indian, not the Arrow. Tuckers the best right now.