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Olypopper you and I ride in very different worlds and I believe in Alaska Doo may be the choice. As you can tell by my name I like DOO and Yamaha. Just realize their are significant #s of sleds designed and sold for fast smooth non mountains trails and lakes. I believe they are NOT the choice...

I think you will find that several of the ‘YAMAHA CROWD” you describe not only know and understand that SKIDOO has made 4 strokes for a long time.....we have owned them, liked them yet not as much as the Sidewinders. The point is that DOO is now advertising the 4 stroke as its FLAGSHIP top sled.

That is so true..they have made the leap of ......if you cant beat them join them. No longer can the Doo people join the I would never ride a heavy 4 stroke you know they are not even fun. Heard that from several uninformed.

VX1R has some of the best pics search his posts and you will see a ton of just gorgeous shots, and since 2017 Winders before that APEXS.

Longest day was over 300 - big loop up the NORTH SHORE of Lake Superior -Duluth to Grand Marais(MN) back to trail west through IRON range of MN then south back to Duluth. Many 200 mile days. My favorite memories of long rides was a regular trip of a 230 mile run up the North shore -leave...

Thanks Guys it was fun. Listening to these guys talk—-realizing compared to the TY info I am used to they didn’t have a clue— I came to realize we TYers are a relatively well informed bunch., LOL But I have always liked a sleeper who does WELL. That’s what was so amazing.....no one KNEW...

Yea it was fun to surprise everyone

So we were having a lake association get together on the lake.....4 fire pits , hot dogs, beverages and social gathering. Planned snowmobile race for fun. So I come early with the Venture GT and trailer full of wood and metal fire pit. Wearing my old coat and Duluth trading lined pants and...

ENOUGH ALREADY Tom, your work on this site is appreciated.

Guys lets not forget, they had plenty of time to design the sled and test and retest until they had what THEY wanted. The cost of buying a few winders to test against is nothing for an OEM. So when they release it IF they decided it was going beat a stock winder or NOT they know. We will...

Deep Breaths, remember life is really NOT about sledding it just feels that way. Seriously sorry for your pain and frustration, sounds like a tuff trip

Maybe its Midwestern because I have heard pop all my Minnesota life, did not know some of us ‘Yankees’ - other northerners said soda.

Wow I didn’t realize the cable one came off the supports so much, my spring rail mounts I cant imagine coming off as there is significant pressure to lift on ‘hooks’.

Wow this simple post took off. My report was about the rail mounted double loop Doo scratchers. THey stay up great and as stated really brought my temps down, never smelled or sensed slider plastic this day so cant comment on that but should be great. I am a great one for dragging toes in...

Interestingly after 40+ miles I noticed the skid, skis and whole sled had almost Zero snow on it anywhere. I did not realize that with extreme cold the snow is much less efficient at both cooling and lube. There was plenty of snow it has just been so cold it acts like a solid and makes little...

I went out today with my VIPER STX DX and it has been COLD for a week and was warmer today the high got up to 7 below. There was NO REFREEZE but snow was ‘Cold Cruchy” if you know what I mean. So I thought I would have no issues with cooling ..wrong. I noticed I was running warm at 185...

The sled sits just a little higher, Team Fast owner/ designer Gerard Karpik wants my ultimate drop while sitting on it to be 3 -4 inches. I was comfortable with the seat height change in very little time. Sorry no pics. So far Ive learned that the FRA - full range adjuster- is POWERFUL I...

Like Kingers change of the Apex to M20 I’m in the process of changing the Viper to a King air team fast suspension for the very purpose of SMOOTH. Yes i will give up top end, hey it’s a Viper never was a “Top End” sled - for that I’ll ride the Apex. Not dialed in yet so no definitive...

Agree I remember when I was 61 and its even harder now.,....LOL. Only got ya by a year. Sleds were lighter 30 years ago and we were stronger.....both have changed.

Nytro handling issues are commonly addressed, may have good luck with a search. I am not a Nyrtro owner but long time 4 stroke guy and often people new to four strokes feel the sled darts around trail when coming OFF the accelerator. Remember to ease of the gas to avoid compression braking and...