GypsyRoots
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While I agree that your sled won't fall apart at 501 miles, there is a reason why the manual recommends it.
I would ride, but I would not park the sled for the season with break-in oil.
My opinion...like someone said, oil, filter and even an hour's worth of driving are cheap, engines are not.
I follow the manufacturer's recommendations for two reasons:
#1- They made the thing and know it better than anyone else.
#2- If you don't, that is the reason they will give you for not validating warranty work, if you need it.
Have fun, but please service your sled...unless you are rich and don't care about a multi thousand dollar investment; then you can throw it away and buy a new one next year... but it seems to make more sense to me to just service it. Must be because I am not filthy rich...
My two cents....
I would ride, but I would not park the sled for the season with break-in oil.
My opinion...like someone said, oil, filter and even an hour's worth of driving are cheap, engines are not.
I follow the manufacturer's recommendations for two reasons:
#1- They made the thing and know it better than anyone else.
#2- If you don't, that is the reason they will give you for not validating warranty work, if you need it.
Have fun, but please service your sled...unless you are rich and don't care about a multi thousand dollar investment; then you can throw it away and buy a new one next year... but it seems to make more sense to me to just service it. Must be because I am not filthy rich...
My two cents....
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seanmurphy26 said:
Dont worry about changing it until your done my buddy has 1700 miles on his phazer from Oil to Sliders its all from the dealer.....
check the oil level and ride it
seanmurphy26
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i changed the oil the other night. easy to do but tkes time. im glad i did it just so its done. the old oil was very clean so i would have been fine
sniperviper
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In my manual yamaha recomends changing the engine after break in every 4000km/2500miles or at the start of a new season. Not at the end of season before storing it..
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sniperviper said:
You are right about what the manual says.
But I know from experience that oil gathers moiture in it as it gets hot and cold and hot and cold under pressure. With that in mind, my personal opinion is that I rather have my new engine sit with new oil and a minimum amount of moisture in the tank/crancase as possible. Same goes for the chaincase oil.
This is just an opinion, based on many years of operating all kinds of internal combustion engines.
sniperviper
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Yes I know the thing about moisture in engine oil but I also know that when running a engine most of this moisture will dissipear because of high temprature. Thats why I think yamaha recomend to change oil at the start of a season. If you change oil at the end of the season you can have moisture build up through a loooong summer and then when you start the new season you may have a lot moisture to get rith of. Its the same recomandation on bikes. Just my toughts 
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sniperviper said:
Moisture in the walls and in the air will, but not moisture that is mixed in with the oil. That water will stay with the oil.
sniperviper said:Thats why I think yamaha recomend to change oil at the start of a season. If you change oil at the end of the season you can have moisture build up through a loooong summer and then when you start the new season you may have a lot moisture to get rith of. Its the same recomandation on bikes. Just my toughts
I am missing something...how would it make any difference? It seems to me that you would have the same amount of moisture build up, which has nothing to do with the state of the oil, but everything to do with the conditions that the sled is parked in.
All things being equal, I think that oil that has no moisture in it to begin with, would be better.
The amount of moiture to get rid of in the Fall would be the same with new or used oil, no?
I am not trying to be difficult or start an argument, but this is important to all of us that care about our sleds.
seanmurphy26
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well when i park it i will have rouchly 100 iles on the fresh oil. so im not concerned. at least i know ts ready to go next winter.
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seanmurphy26 said:
I am sure you will be fine. Modern oils are very good at keeping their properties.
sniperviper
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Gypsy, I'm not either trying to start a big discussion on this issue. I have talked to many "engine" people about this issue bacause I really wanted to find out why some engine manufacturer recomend to start with new oil on a new driving season. The answers I have gotten are that some meen the same as you and other the same thing that I wrote. Seems like a split dissicion 
A few guys told me to drop the "old" dirty oil before storing sled/bike and only add one litre new and then again drop this litre before a new riding season and fill up with fresh oil.
Dont think its such a big deal at what season you change the oil. I'm not an oil expert and my arguments on my previous post is the same argument that yamaha gave me when asking them about this issue. But I have to say that I find it a little bit strange that yamaha is trusted in almost all other recomandation but not on the oil change issue. I'm sure yamaha have good reasons to recomend to do it the way they do, they have been into the engine construction business in 40 years
A few guys told me to drop the "old" dirty oil before storing sled/bike and only add one litre new and then again drop this litre before a new riding season and fill up with fresh oil.
Dont think its such a big deal at what season you change the oil. I'm not an oil expert and my arguments on my previous post is the same argument that yamaha gave me when asking them about this issue. But I have to say that I find it a little bit strange that yamaha is trusted in almost all other recomandation but not on the oil change issue. I'm sure yamaha have good reasons to recomend to do it the way they do, they have been into the engine construction business in 40 years
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You are right, I am always saying to do what Yamaha recomends and now I am going against the grain.
I just don't like the idea of partly broken down oil with moisture sitting in my sled.
I guess it really doesn't matter, but I am more of a "shower before bed" kind of guy. If you "shower in the morning", you will be just as clean when you show up to work, but your sheets might need washing before mine.
I hope this analogy helps to show my point.
But modern oils are very good and it probably does not make any difference anyway.
Thanks for the good points!
I just don't like the idea of partly broken down oil with moisture sitting in my sled.
I guess it really doesn't matter, but I am more of a "shower before bed" kind of guy. If you "shower in the morning", you will be just as clean when you show up to work, but your sheets might need washing before mine.
I hope this analogy helps to show my point.
But modern oils are very good and it probably does not make any difference anyway.
Thanks for the good points!
Elevator Ryder
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Thats a good analogy,
I bought my sled 1 month ago and Ive only got 100 miles on it so far. What would you guys recomend I do. I figure since its only 100 miles that I could probably get away with not changing it until beggining of the year. Thanks in advance.
I bought my sled 1 month ago and Ive only got 100 miles on it so far. What would you guys recomend I do. I figure since its only 100 miles that I could probably get away with not changing it until beggining of the year. Thanks in advance.
teerex
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To Sniperviper: "Yamaha Motor is Born When Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd. was established in Japan in July 1955"
phaze5
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this definately sounds like a dealer performed task ahahaha
I know it's an old thread but changed my oil and filter today and got in done within an hour.. Second time I did it and I use the k&n 147 filter.. Just lift the filter up (first picture) it comes out if you hold it in the precise right angle.. Standard Yamaha filter comes out the same way.. It could be easier but I thinks it's an ok job now to do once a year... Feels good replacing filter and oil although I'm sure far from necessary..
