2 stroke 3000-5000 miles is it????

[mikextx]

Even now, after the advent of the mighty sidewinder, Yamaha is still last. Pretty telling to me. They market 2 heavy, 4stroke sleds. Coincidence? Probably not.

 

[Sasquatch]

I totally agree, turbos are great, efficient way to add big power. Hell, my diesel truck wouldnt hardly move without one. Just dont think that big heavy lake rockets are the way of the future. Especially with the younger generation. Around here, off trail riding is gaining popularity quickly. I Sure would love a big heavy 120mph turbo 4stroke to go off trail, deep into the woods.....said no one....ever.

And this is the argument that is Steep and deep and trail. With near 20,000 miles of trails in Canada alone there is a huge trail market. Now I can agree that the Steep and Deep want two strokes for lightweight but trail sleds are here to stay. Two different types of sled two different types of riding. If I was to look at sled sales here trail sleds are 99% of the market. All the places I have been are predominantly trail sleds with a mix of work sleds tossed in. Fisherman like those!

 

[mikextx]

The trails here are a little to popular. Every year theres more and more people. Makes it hard to crack the throttle when theres always a group of 40mphers in front of you. We have a shitload of state land tho, woods, hills, and fields, that are for the most part empty. And of all those people clogging up the trails, id say atleast 70-80% are Doo,Poo, Cat, and older Yami....2strokes

 

[Sasquatch]

Even now, after the advent of the mighty sidewinder, Yamaha is still last. Pretty telling to me. They market 2 heavy, 4stroke sleds. Coincidence? Probably not.

So Cat makes two stroke sleds so why then have they not gained on the rest. When was Yamaha not Last? So if Yamaha starts buying Cat two stroke sleds will they leap ahead of Cat and make a run at Doo? Even if they made a 800 twin engine and dropped it in a Cat would they?

 

[Sasquatch]

The trails here are a little to popular. Every year theres more and more people. Makes it hard to crack the throttle when theres always a group of 40mphers in front of you. We have a shitload of state land tho, woods, hills, and fields, that are for the most part empty. And of all those people clogging up the trails, id say atleast 70-80% are Doo,Poo, Cat, and older Yami....2strokes

So it kinda proves that every area is different. I was in the Hearst area and the trails where fast, Hundreds of sleds out on the trails. Doo two and fours lots of Yamaha four strokes and really a good mix of other sleds. All trail sleds all nailing it! Never got held up but might have held up a few cause I was staying to 60 80mph mostly with a few excursions to 100 plus. With near 1,200 miles of trail fast was the name of the day!

 

[mikextx]

Why put it in a cat? Why not build their own chasis like the other 3? Clearly they can't or wont

 

[mikextx]

Not to mention with all the traffic the trails are beat to hell by 10am everyday. Also makes it hard to ride fast

 

[Turtle]

And this is the argument that is Steep and deep and trail. With near 20,000 miles of trails in Canada alone there is a huge trail market. Now I can agree that the Steep and Deep want two strokes for lightweight but trail sleds are here to stay. Two different types of sled two different types of riding. If I was to look at sled sales here trail sleds are 99% of the market. All the places I have been are predominantly trail sleds with a mix of work sleds tossed in. Fisherman like those!

The state of Wisconsin alone has over 25k miles of trails alone. We have a huge spider-network of trails. It’s partly the reason the UP of MI has troubles with keeping their few trails groomed - but don’t get me started on that. More to my point ... I’ll agree that the trail market is huge. But a large portion of people aren’t buying trail sleds to go trail riding. The crossover segment is huge and many that buy them never leave the trail. We can argue whether that’s right or wrong. Some do venture off trail (legal or not) but a good share buy for the image. Regardless of what we as outsiders may judge them as making the right sled choice, they still made a choice as to what sled to buy. And that was what they thought as being the “lightweight badass sled that meets all their needs”. And at the end of they day regardless if we think that was the right choice or not, it’s about selling sleds and making money. I’m sorry - but the other 3 are doing a better job at selling sleds and making money. And for my riding style (and I do emphasize MY riding style which is not equal to all others) Yamaha’s offerings are dwindling very quickly and don’t look good on the horizon. Regardless if others think my choice is right or not. Sleds are supposed to be FUN and I’m starting to find more fun in the other manufactures. Although I still have hope for 2020.

 

[mikextx]

Very well put Turtle

 

[Sasquatch]

The state of Wisconsin alone has over 25k miles of trails alone. We have a huge spider-network of trails. It’s partly the reason the UP of MI has troubles with keeping their few trails groomed - but don’t get me started on that. More to my point ... I’ll agree that the trail market is huge. But a large portion of people aren’t buying trail sleds to go trail riding. The crossover segment is huge and many that buy them never leave the trail. We can argue whether that’s right or wrong. Some do venture off trail (legal or not) but a good share buy for the image. Regardless of what we as outsiders may judge them as making the right sled choice, they still made a choice as to what sled to buy. And that was what they thought as being the “lightweight badass sled that meets all their needs”. And at the end of they day regardless if we think that was the right choice or not, it’s about selling sleds and making money. I’m sorry - but the other 3 are doing a better job at selling sleds and making money. And for my riding style (and I do emphasize MY riding style which is not equal to all others) Yamaha’s offerings are dwindling very quickly and don’t look good on the horizon. Regardless if others think my choice is right or not. Sleds are supposed to be FUN and I’m starting to find more fun in the other manufactures. Although I still have hope for 2020.

Yamaha has no offerings other then a V-K540. They sticker two offerings from Cat and if you want a two stroke or a touring or a fourstroke work sled Cat is your choice from the partnership. Or Doo or Polaris.

Yamaha has one sled. What 2020 brings for Yamaha is more Cat sleds.

 

[cnybrian]

YellowKnife just hit 17,000 km (10,560 miles) on this 2 stroke Doo without a rebuild.

 

[biffdotorg]

YellowKnife just hit 17,000 km (10,560 miles) on this 2 stroke Doo without a rebuild.

And even Allan is more than surprised by that.

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

And even Allan is more than surprised by that.

Yes he is shocked and expecting it to happen any day now.
His buddies Doo went down and he mentioned it was $2500 to fix.
His buddy also has now traded it in on a new one.
If he owned a 4s he would not have had that repair bill and may still be riding it and saved 20k on his new one.

 

[provfisherman]

Not to mention with all the traffic the trails are beat to hell by 10am everyday. Also makes it hard to ride fast

Well a big part of that issue is the throttle jockeys with the twitchy thumbs that have to constantly burb the throttle, which of course creates those trenches we all love riding over and then complain about the trail being 'whopped' out.

 

[72Gran]

He may have 17k but I bet every time he goes out now his butthole is tight worrying about when she’s gonna blow. Then it’s a sad tow home and trip to the dealer for 2 to 4K in repairs, wow, wish I had one!