2011 Mystery Sled!!!

[SledderSteve]

It's all good Frank, this is not unusual and I think in the midst of all the fun and frolic we forgot to say:

Welcome to the site!

 

[Superman]

I can't wait to ride one. I want to feel this new "steering system" myself. Thanks for the review Tom, hopefully we get to ride these puppies in Muni this year.

 

[QCRider]

Neither statement is accurate. The center of mass is does not change with the point of application of forces. Your own center of mass is near the center of your chest and the sled's is probably near the center of the motor. The combination of these two is essentially a weighted average about a reference axis or plane. Since the sled's center of mass is fixed (but will vary some with fuel load), the position of your center of mass determines the overall center for the system. The taller you stand on the sled or ATV the higher the center of mass for the system.

A free-body diagram will easily demonstrate this principle.

I stand corrected. Pun intended.

 

[gr8vintage]

It's all good Frank, this is not unusual and I think in the midst of all the fun and frolic we forgot to say:

Welcome to the site!

Thanks. I joined years ago, but my old sign in didn't work, so I re-upped. Maybe I was away too long.

 

[sk-rx1]

So tell me why again they keep making us sit higher, forward I understand, higher I don't. I'm sure some of it is as you get closer to standing so you can better absorb bumps with your legs, but we have a pretty capable suspension to do that.I think Yamaha (and others)think we want to get closer to a dirt bike or ATV, I want to get closer to a go kart, with big suspension. I do realize that you can't have it all, but in my opinion they are off track a bit. Doesn't mean I won't get one...... Just lowered my GT with the front shocks and pulled up the limitter 2 holes, I'll try that.

 

[RunninRX1]

To illustrate the benefits of EPS on a sled, I can use my Attak. Previously it was a ill-handling, pushing MOFO. I tried all the tricks on here. None really work to how I ride. None. I could buy new skis, but that's another chunk of change to spend which I will do as a last resort and that may or may not even work to my requirements.
What I did was took my "junk" stock ski's chucked them up in a mill and used a trick the Sno-X guys use. Square up the keels. Holy railing batman!! Now I have something that is getting close to my old SRX with the wide front end, C&A's and all that mess. Bad side was you need a case of Spinach to muscle this thing around. It went wherever you pointed it with no issues. No pushing, no sliding, point and shoot. My cornering speeds were up at least 10 MPH.
Now I am a trial rider. I could give a rats #*$&@ about flotation, powder snow or any of that belt exploding stuff. I own a trail sled and I need it to handle. With this ski mod.. handle it did. But.. my arms were on fire after about 20 miles. Unacceptable!!! Toss EPS in there and now I have the best of both worlds. Silly cornering ability with little steering effort.
Doesn't mean I'll get a 2011 and hack up the stock skis. Haven't ridden one, don't know what it's like yet.
Nor does it mean I won't buy a set of Curves or whatever for my current sled.

Ski lift. ALL sleds do this no matter what they are or what is done to them. If you do not experience it.. ride faster.. you will. If you have a 07 Apex GT that has some ski lift and you rode the 2011 and saw none, that means the 2011 is better as you did not reach its lifting point.. yet. Another thing with ski lift is how controllable it is. A F7 lifts the skis all day long as does an Apex or XP but the big difference is predictability. The F7's or XP's will lift them, but you still feel in control when it does it so no big deal. The Apex will lift them, but you get that uneasy feeling of what the hell is this thing going to do? Should I lift a bit, pour on more power or just ride it out? Drives me nuts.

I have no problems with gr8vintage's assessment of the 2011 vs Tom's and all the others. People do ride these thing differently. They have different expectations and needs. A guy who putts around at 45 MPH will possibly not appreciate everything the 2011 can do for him (oh.. that is a generalization, not directed at anyone). You may drive too slow to see the need for EPS. You may not hammer the throttle to see how much power power the 2011 DOES make. You may not lean in the curves so you will still see ski lift. Who knows. For me who is a "haul the mail" trail rider, what I hear about the 2011 sounds good so far.
Better handling, better seating position, better power, better alot of stuff.

It's like the 13mm sway bar. General consensus is it's a requirement for high speed trail riding. I put one on, damn, one of the worst mods I have ever done to a sled. It turned my manageable Attak into a ski lifting fool. Uncontrollable ski lift and I thought I was going to lose it many times and crash. Now why is that? Simple. I ride differently than those who love the thing. And yes it was setup like everyone says to set it up.

I guess my point is, only a few have rode this refreshed Apex but way too many are badmouthing it before they have even sat on the stupid thing. Go ride one then bitch about it, or buy one if ya want
That is what I am going to do before I make my decision.

 

[tcona-AGT]

[quote="RunninRX1

I guess my point is, only a few have rode this refreshed Apex but way too many are badmouthing it before they have even sat on the stupid thing. Go ride one then bitch about it, or buy one if ya want
That is what I am going to do before I make my decision.[/quote]


X2^^

 

[Yummy]

[quote="RunninRX1

I guess my point is, only a few have rode this refreshed Apex but way too many are badmouthing it before they have even sat on the stupid thing. Go ride one then bitch about it, or buy one if ya want
That is what I am going to do before I make my decision.

X2^^[/quote]


Right on! wise monkey.

 

[MR.HAPPY]

But, does the headlights high & low beams both work?




BR

 

[arteeex]

I guess my point is, only a few have rode this refreshed Apex but way too many are badmouthing it before they have even sat on the stupid thing. Go ride one then bitch about it, or buy one if ya want

That is what I am going to do before I make my decision.

X2^^

You're missing the point. It's not about objectivity, it's about saving time.

 

[morrisond]

So tell me why again they keep making us sit higher, forward I understand, higher I don't. I'm sure some of it is as you get closer to standing so you can better absorb bumps with your legs, but we have a pretty capable suspension to do that.I think Yamaha (and others)think we want to get closer to a dirt bike or ATV, I want to get closer to a go kart, with big suspension. I do realize that you can't have it all, but in my opinion they are off track a bit. Doesn't mean I won't get one...... Just lowered my GT with the front shocks and pulled up the limitter 2 holes, I'll try that.

Just get a wide front end kit, it will be like a go-kart

 

[GTBlack]

so where can i see it?

 

[MadMax]

OK I'll joint the fray........................ #1.. Power steering was laughted at by some on quads when introduced. Now it's welcomed and offered by othe makers.... I'll bet $10.oo (I'm cheap) that within two years someone else will steal "borrow" the idea from yammie... To me it's a big deal... I would love to have it on my future sled...
#2. How many guys kept saying.... "DON'T" you dare change the look of my apex.............. I don't want "NO" nytro... Guess what guys.. They didn't... Look at the vette over the years.............. It still looks like a vette only refined... The dodge viper..Mustang..... It's called refinement guys.........
#3. Lets at least wait until yammie releases the specs.. Before blowing a gasket..
#4. I doo wish we had enough guys that were lucky enough to ride it that could compare it directly with the competitions best. Ya know head to head in many different categories.. I'm not sure how many guys have ridden all the 4-strokers...I think YK. has rode quite a few models. I trust YK's evaluation. This guys nuts. If he can't break it it won't break...........He seemed to like the eps.
#5. This is directed to tom..... "mr. Sled". "THANKS" for your effort.. I for one appreciate you putting up with a few "" off the wall comments. MM.

 

[yox185]

Neither statement is accurate. The center of mass is does not change with the point of application of forces. Your own center of mass is near the center of your chest and the sled's is probably near the center of the motor. The combination of these two is essentially a weighted average about a reference axis or plane. Since the sled's center of mass is fixed (but will vary some with fuel load), the position of your center of mass determines the overall center for the system. The taller you stand on the sled or ATV the higher the center of mass for the system.

A free-body diagram will easily demonstrate this principle.

I love it when arteeex gets his slide rule out and cracks some knuckles.

 

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