2011 Mystery Sled!!!

[Eagle1]

I just wish all these "know it all/complainers" would band together and build the fastest,lightest,durable,slot car,hot gripped, ditch banging,lifetime warranted,drop dead gorgeous sled out there for under $10k....I'am sure we'll all buy one.....And redesign it every year!...... Oh, and 20mpg at WOT




THANKS TOM


my.02

 

[apltx08]

Thanks Tom,

Nice pics and good info!

 

[STINKFINGER]

i just got back fron ridding in canada. logged 702 miles in less than 2 1/2 days. conditions were flat and fast ranging from tight woods tails to 100+ rail road beds. I only ride my apex 3 long weekends a year the rest of the year it sits in the garage.(sled sucks in tight woods trails around home) all i can say is the motor rocks its hands down the only thing that rocks about the sled in my opinion. I have over 6000 miles on an 06 gt. I run snow trackers they were the best money i ever spent, make the apex fun to ride.

on a 300 mile day all the short comings of the apex become clear.

too heavy
no fun to ride when the trails get rough, things i would drive over on a rev i slow down and drive around on the apex.
new slides every 1500 miles.
rear shock breaks wire every ride so now i just leave it broken on the stiffest setting.
rear shock leaks once a year and needs rebuild.
when the trails are hard and flat your either burning off the slides or over heating.
i can runn my apex down a rough trail as fast as a rev the difference is the apex will be bottoming out and breaking things and the rev will not.

the gut forward ridding position needs to go, having my knees higher than my waist on the sled is far from rider forward and gets anoying on a long ride.

i day dream about the apex motor in a xp/rev chasis that is my dream sled.

i have know idea why i bothered to write this i'm sure no one really cares and i'm sure after several years of putting out the same crap chassis Yamaha really dosent care either. My dealer will give me 5k in trade ,now all i need to come up with is another 6k and i can have power steering. sweet...............
the motor is the only thing that is keeping me on a yamaha.
they could have set the sledding world on its ear but instead they realize that a heavy ,darting front end would be easier to handle if it had power steering????????
If they other 3 did not suck so bad Yamaha would not look so good.
At least i did not have to wait until march to see that nothing has changed.

 

[RunninRX1]

They let you ride 700 miles on a 2011? Or are you talking about and old model which is irrelevant to compare to a 2011.

 

[nbsledder]

They let you ride 700 miles on a 2011? Or are you talking about and old model which is irrelevant to compare to a 2011.

Did you actually read his post?

 

[morrisond]

i just got back fron ridding in canada. logged 702 miles in less than 2 1/2 days. conditions were flat and fast ranging from tight woods tails to 100+ rail road beds. I only ride my apex 3 long weekends a year the rest of the year it sits in the garage.(sled sucks in tight woods trails around home) all i can say is the motor rocks its hands down the only thing that rocks about the sled in my opinion. I have over 6000 miles on an 06 gt. I run snow trackers they were the best money i ever spent, make the apex fun to ride.

on a 300 mile day all the short comings of the apex become clear.

too heavy
no fun to ride when the trails get rough, things i would drive over on a rev i slow down and drive around on the apex.
new slides every 1500 miles.
rear shock breaks wire every ride so now i just leave it broken on the stiffest setting.
rear shock leaks once a year and needs rebuild.
when the trails are hard and flat your either burning off the slides or over heating.
i can runn my apex down a rough trail as fast as a rev the difference is the apex will be bottoming out and breaking things and the rev will not.

the gut forward ridding position needs to go, having my knees higher than my waist on the sled is far from rider forward and gets anoying on a long ride.

i day dream about the apex motor in a xp/rev chasis that is my dream sled.

i have know idea why i bothered to write this i'm sure no one really cares and i'm sure after several years of putting out the same crap chassis Yamaha really dosent care either. My dealer will give me 5k in trade ,now all i need to come up with is another 6k and i can have power steering. sweet...............
the motor is the only thing that is keeping me on a yamaha.
they could have set the sledding world on its ear but instead they realize that a heavy ,darting front end would be easier to handle if it had power steering????????
If they other 3 did not suck so bad Yamaha would not look so good.
At least i did not have to wait until march to see that nothing has changed.

Well the motor is stronger - Check
The new seat puts you 2" higher - Check
Front was heavy, EPS fixes that - If it was darting did you ever try toeing your Ski's out? I can't tell you how many people who I have run across on all type of sleds who miss this one basic set-up issue.

I never bought an Apex(loved the motor though) as I did not like the seating position either so the last 5 years I've had a Rev 800, 1st gen Nytro(seat was high enough just not enough power) F1000 and Crossfire 8 Sno-pro.

I was really impressed by the chasis finally, Yamme has hit a home run, hands down best sled I've ever ridden for the High performance trail rider.

Maybe wait to trade until you can try one, but I think you'll like it.

 

[RunninRX1]

Yup, I read it. Complaining about how his old model is. Mine do the same things (I own 3 of them). Neither of us can say the new one does those same things or has the same problems as neither of us have ridden one.

We all know the shortcomings of the current Apex. ONLY those who have ridden the 2011 can truly say what is or isn't different. The rest of us keyboard jockeys can only speculate based on a few pictures and some text on websites. And so far, it's getting glowing reviews so something must be different (besides power steering).

If you read what has been written, it has a different front geometry. That right there can make a world of difference in what a sled does. Look at a 08 Nytro vs a 09. Night and day and that was just a small change. I would image that the majority of people on here are clueless about how the front geometry effects a sled. Which is fine.. you don't need to know that stuff. Go trail ride a true Sno-X sled.. any of them, you won't like it I rode the XP sled that beat that Ian dude who rides for Yamaha a few weeks back.. Good god.. awful!

Its got new skis and from one report some new carbide runner system.. very little to no darting...maybe "snow trackers" on it stock? Tons of glowing reviews on snow trackers too. How many people on here bought new skis? TONS. How many of us know these new 2011 skis really work? Fraction of a percent of the people on here.. only those who rode it know. They all say they do. So there's another potential improvement.

It's got a different seat. I'm 6'4" so I know all too well about the knees thing.. but the new seat is higher.. that WILL make a difference. I know 2" of foam in my buddies Rev made a buttload of difference. How much is it on the 2011..do not know... yet.

Like me, he's got a 06 skid which IS prone to break. Mine hasn't...yet.
We all know the 2010 skid is MUCH beefier. 2011 could even be better than the 2010.. only a few know if they looked when they had the chance. We know Yamaha addressed the shock rubbing issues with the 2010 skid, addressed wiring issues and all that also. So most likely those issues are long gone. We know they put roller bearings in the lower skid to help with premature bushing wear. Nobody knows what else they did. They could have put bronze bushings in like I did. We do not know.

We can all see that the tunnel is different on the 2011, but nobody knows how far they went with changing the chassis around.. nobody. So nobody can say it's the same ole thing again. We just don't know.

We all know about how poor the front bushings are and alot of us put zerks in to make that better. 2011 has them stock so that's an improvement. Maybe they put bronze up there also? Did anyone look?

Handwarmers.. all reviews say they rock. Another improvement.

Everyone says it takes bumps better.. could be finally a good shock calibration. None of us know.
I personally don't have any issues with the bump capability of mine as I'm only 150#. I have my stock spring set on 2 and it will take some serious bumpage without bottoming. Can't say much about the more portly riders and how the skid works for them as I am not one of them.

I agree on the weight, but all 4 strokes are heavy. If they are not (like some models of the XP) get prepared to replace broken parts. I can take pictures of BOXES of broken front bulkhead connectors on XP's. Now if the EPS makes that weight FEEL less.. that's great. Cat had to add a turbo to help with how heavy that sled is. They did take weight out of the 2011.. just nobody is going to say how much until the 2nd.

Just because it LOOKS very similar on the outside does not mean its not different underneath. A ZR1 'Vette looks extremely similar to a regular 'Vette but they aren't even in the same ballpark.

I've said it a few times now.. you cannot compare what your Apex is now to a 2011 unless YOUR #*$&@ has sat on the seat and went down a trail on a 2011. If you have and you hated it, perfect. That would be useful information.
If you have never ever been on one and your just bitching about how your current sled sucks, and you wish it was this or that...irrelevant.

 

[SledderSteve]

If they other 3 did not suck so bad Yamaha would not look so good.

Amen

 

[zoomzoom]

i just got back fron ridding in canada. logged 702 miles in less than 2 1/2 days. conditions were flat and fast ranging from tight woods tails to 100+ rail road beds. I only ride my apex 3 long weekends a year the rest of the year it sits in the garage.(sled sucks in tight woods trails around home) all i can say is the motor rocks its hands down the only thing that rocks about the sled in my opinion. I have over 6000 miles on an 06 gt. I run snow trackers they were the best money i ever spent, make the apex fun to ride.

on a 300 mile day all the short comings of the apex become clear.

too heavy
no fun to ride when the trails get rough, things i would drive over on a rev i slow down and drive around on the apex.
new slides every 1500 miles.
rear shock breaks wire every ride so now i just leave it broken on the stiffest setting.
rear shock leaks once a year and needs rebuild.
when the trails are hard and flat your either burning off the slides or over heating.
i can runn my apex down a rough trail as fast as a rev the difference is the apex will be bottoming out and breaking things and the rev will not.

the gut forward ridding position needs to go, having my knees higher than my waist on the sled is far from rider forward and gets anoying on a long ride.

i day dream about the apex motor in a xp/rev chasis that is my dream sled.

i have know idea why i bothered to write this i'm sure no one really cares and i'm sure after several years of putting out the same crap chassis Yamaha really dosent care either. My dealer will give me 5k in trade ,now all i need to come up with is another 6k and i can have power steering. sweet...............
the motor is the only thing that is keeping me on a yamaha.
they could have set the sledding world on its ear but instead they realize that a heavy ,darting front end would be easier to handle if it had power steering????????
If they other 3 did not suck so bad Yamaha would not look so good.
At least i did not have to wait until march to see that nothing has changed.

Please don't take this as an insult because it's not meant that way! Just because someone puts on 6k a year does not mean they have a clue how to properly set up a sled. Let me address the following:

* too heavy
[ most people that make this comment usually have their sag set up improperly ]

* No fun to ride when trails get rough. rev has better ride
[ Had my low speed dampening revalved ]

* New slides every 1500 miles
[ buy a set of graphites. not much more money ]

* Rear shock breaks wire every ride
[ I do 3k a year and have never broken a wire with some VERY hard riding.]

* Rear shock leaks once a year and needs rebuild
[ Yes this was a problem for me also but I found a guy that designed a new bushing for that shock and have not had a problem since!]

* When the trails are hard and flat ur either burning off slides or over heating.
[ Run graphite slides and 10ek plugs. I NEVER overheat on these plugs but I do overheat on the 9s]

* Bottoming out vs Rev
[ First, get a 6.5 spring and revalve low speed dampening properly. I've got a number to a guy that knows his stuff up in Coaticook, QC. Second, If you want a big bump sled buy a Nytro! The Apex is a GROOMED trail FAST sled that I run past the revs and not with them! ]

* Gut forward riding with knees higher than waist
[ Really sounds like u need a Nytro ]

 

[STINKFINGER]

No insult taken.................

I run the graphite slides....just smoked a set in 702 miles.

I have the 6.5 rear spring and had it revalved by hygear $365.00 nice??

I run the 10ek plugs

The sled feels heavy after 12 hrs on it and i feel like i got run over by a truck for 2 days after.

If the nytro had 150+ hp and offered better wind protection i might consider it.

I will never buy another gt model, electronic anything has no place in that enviornmnet. I've pretty much written off fixing the shock wire again. it will be sold broken.

I really do like the sled its the best one i've owned to date.

i'm seroiusly considering adding foam to the seat.

with sleds costing as much as small cars they should let you take them for the weekend . then i could make my own conclusion if its worth spending the money.

 

[rightarm]

That's what "demo" rides are all about try looking for one before your next purchase that way you can make a better decision.Any sled after twelve hrs is going to feel heavy but if your are sore for 2 days after the ride my friend you are seriously out of shape,get off the fast food diet and cigarette smoking and get in riding shape.Just my .02

 

[zoomzoom]

No insult taken.................

I run the graphite slides....just smoked a set in 702 miles.

I have the 6.5 rear spring and had it revalved by hygear $365.00 nice??

I run the 10ek plugs

The sled feels heavy after 12 hrs on it and i feel like i got run over by a truck for 2 days after.

If the nytro had 150+ hp and offered better wind protection i might consider it.

I will never buy another gt model, electronic anything has no place in that enviornmnet. I've pretty much written off fixing the shock wire again. it will be sold broken.

I really do like the sled its the best one i've owned to date.

i'm seroiusly considering adding foam to the seat.

with sleds costing as much as small cars they should let you take them for the weekend . then i could make my own conclusion if its worth spending the money.

Star suspensions will install better bushing and do revalve for 180. This guy is no joke! He KNOWS his stuff!

I cant comment on the wire because I've done some very hard riding and its never broken.

Have you dropped your front end? VERY important with weight distribution because as you probably already know, rear end give is very important for agressive riding. It changes the sled dramatically! If your rear end slides going around the corner then you dont have to fight the roll with the weight of your body. Again I'm probably telling you stuff you already know.

 

[apltx08]

No insult taken.................

I run the graphite slides....just smoked a set in 702 miles.

I have the 6.5 rear spring and had it revalved by hygear $365.00 nice??

I run the 10ek plugs

The sled feels heavy after 12 hrs on it and i feel like i got run over by a truck for 2 days after.

If the nytro had 150+ hp and offered better wind protection i might consider it.

I will never buy another gt model, electronic anything has no place in that enviornmnet. I've pretty much written off fixing the shock wire again. it will be sold broken.

I really do like the sled its the best one i've owned to date.

i'm seroiusly considering adding foam to the seat.

with sleds costing as much as small cars they should let you take them for the weekend . then i could make my own conclusion if its worth spending the money.

Star suspensions will install better bushing and do revalve for 180. This guy is no joke! He KNOWS his stuff!

I cant comment on the wire because I've done some very hard riding and its never broken.

Have you dropped your front end? VERY important with weight distribution because as you probably already know, rear end give is very important for agressive riding. It changes the sled dramatically! If your rear end slides going around the corner then you dont have to fight the roll with the weight of your body. Again I'm probably telling you stuff you already know.

I don't care what any Manufacturer comes up with, any model of sled is set-up for the average rider...then the ball is in your court, meaning its trial & error and of course $$$$ to get it set-up to your RIDING STYLE, the more $$$$ you have to spend the better you can dial it in! and of course lots of "TY" reading different riders post of their set-ups and advice...this new model is not going to be perfect and I don't nor expect it to be...cuz they didn't built for me but the average JO'S/GAL'S out there.

I got my shocks done by Star Suspension and what a difference it made, I upgraded my front shocks to GYTR Clickers and got them shimmed to lower my COG on my front end, all I can say is WOW!!! I bought the base model to stay away from this ELECTRONIC adjustable shock that keeps failing and also find that OLINS shock are weaker than the KYB on base model, I got my rear shock set up with a 6.5, revalved shock, set my sag to spec VERY IMPORTANT, dialed to SOFTEST setting on tunnel and rides like a charm...any sled/model has to be set up properly to your riding style...another big mistake a lot of riders do is try to set-up for trail and ditchbanging which is IMPOSSIBLE to do, its 1 or the other...don't even attempt to set a MONO up for ditchbanging, it'll fall apart!

I have no issues with slides/hyfax wearing out prematurely, I run my track to near spec 1 to 1 1/4" sag with 22lbs weight with OE tarck clipped every 3rd,
I also ride with OE skis with DEUCE BARS and I honestly can't complain about them,I found by setting my ski "TOE" adjustment to "0" with DEUCE BARS it eliminates most of the darting, I repeat myself start by setting up your rear SAG and it makes a world of difference all around.

 

[bluemissile]

i would like to know how you are going through slides that quick, except for last year when i ran some cheap aftermarket ones only got 1000 miles on em. the yami ones run for 3500 i ok with this, gives me a chance to get in there and look things over at the same time. i run 1" of sag with no weight hanging on it, it does not ratchet. also i have stock track with closed windows. however i did experience wheel failure, but port yamaha set me up with an set of an older model and that problem went away. so all in all great product. run another brand it's ok, just got back from groomong and we towed 1 cat back and saw another dead on the trail, maybe you'd like one of those better.

 

[MR.HAPPY]

My experience with all nine 4 strokes I've owned is they wear pretty quick to about 25 to 30 % left & then quit wearing! I've rode many many miles & replaced 2 sets total!

Don't panic just ride!!!



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