660 snow drags 300 hp

[Blue shadow]

No snow yet,just put the hurricane 300 tune on a 2018 sidewinder B-TX 153 with 2.5 inch lug.Supertips at 82 grams with tungsten washer in first hole,second hole 4 washers and the tip is tungsten on one side and 4 washers on the other side and 35 degree helix.Gearing 24/50 ,170 pound rider. tune has a 3 bar map,cold air intake ,and the new bov.Would I run out of gear on 66o ft? Also would I have to change from the stock helix?Last year I watch 3 turbo sleds running 280 and 290 hp on 660 ft that could only run with a 800 skidoo with clutching mods done .My RX1 at 22 psi would put bus lenghts on the sidewinders .I just hope I can get this one running good .Why is the sidewinder slow off the line?Thanks

 

[NYTurbo]

24/50 is not enough. Launch control with the new boost timer would be the ticket

 

[KnappAttack]

An RX-1 at 22 lbs will smoke a Sidewinder on 300HP tune. You will not run out of gear with a 24/50 in 660, no way, no how.

I think you are going to be really disappointed with a sidewinder coming off a 22 lb RX-1 power wise. I thought I could make a Winder fast coming off a real good 1200 turbo Doo and a fantastic Simons Apex turbo, been 4 seasons and have just succumb to the fact that unless you put a bigger turbo on it's just not happening. They are just not that fast compared to larger aftermarket turboed 1200's, RX-1's and Apex's, but 800's and 850's should be very easy races, unless they are drag sleds against a trail turbo.

Everyone thinks these turbo trail sleds are so fast, but any big bore two-stroke actual stock drag sled will smoke it in 660 foot. So I guess it depends on what you are running against.

 

[Blue shadow]

You need launch control...LOL...they are not slow out of the hole!

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I have race lots of sleds with the rx1 at 30 psi with bigger hp that had launch control and I was off the line much faster.I am new to the sidewinder and from what I seen last year from two different sidewinder kits did not impress me.I like the look and the ride of the sidewinder .I am just hoping I can get the sled running much faster then what I seen.Thanks

 

[Blue shadow]

An RX-1 at 22 lbs will smoke a Sidewinder on 300HP tune. You will not run out of gear with a 24/50 in 660, no way, no how.

I think you are going to be really disappointed with a sidewinder coming off a 22 lb RX-1 power wise. I thought I could make a Winder fast coming off a real good 1200 turbo Doo and a fantastic Simons Apex turbo, been 4 seasons and have just succumb to the fact that unless you put a bigger turbo on it's just not happening. They are just not that fast compared to larger aftermarket turboed 1200's, RX-1's and Apex's, but 800's and 850's should be very easy races, unless they are drag sleds against a trail turbo.

Everyone thinks these turbo trail sleds are so fast, but any big bore two-stroke actual stock drag sled will smoke it in 660 foot. So I guess it depends on what you are running against.

Thanks for the info,that not what I wanted to hear but you are right .A lot of people think the sidewinder is fast because they never rode a race sled . You would think 20 psi on one sled is the same for another .That is not the case when it comes to racing.Do you think a helix would help it get off the line much faster ,like a 45 -38 delton thanks again

 

[NYTurbo]

An RX-1 at 22 lbs will smoke a Sidewinder on 300HP tune. You will not run out of gear with a 24/50 in 660, no way, no how.

You definitely won't ET or mph with that gear . Been there done that.

 

[NYTurbo]

What hp is a rx1 at 22 lbs ?

 

[KnappAttack]

Thanks for the info,that not what I wanted to hear but you are right .A lot of people think the sidewinder is fast because they never rode a race sled . You would think 20 psi on one sled is the same for another .That is not the case when it comes to racing.Do you think a helix would help it get off the line much faster ,like a 45 -38 delton thanks again

Yes, a progressive angle helix like a 39-35 will help for drag racing and IMO you need a lower gear to get the heavy pig off the line for snow dragging. Gear it down and let it run out of gear and RPM in the mid 9K range out the back door, pouring the weight to the primary arms working it hard if you have decent traction, otherwise just run it like a normal trail sled. Usually the traction isn't there on snow anyway,

No, 20 lbs in a Sidewinder is wimpy next to a RX-1. PSI means nothing as you know. The turbo on the Winder is just too small, same with the 900t. However the Winder makes for a great handling and trail riding machine. You will just not like the power coming off a turbo RX-1.

 

[TPAY243]

Ok so I'm coming of a 2014 Viper with 190 Hurricane kit that would destroy any 800 or 850 in the snow from start to finish. No I was not at some pro snow show event, who would take a trail sled and run it against a set up race machine anyway your out come will not be good. I guess my question is will I be unhappy with the Winder compared to my Viper. I was only running stock motor with 7 psi of boost and easily handled the 850'S. These Winders you speak of were either set up wrong or were racing against Sleds to run 660ft. In real world comparing a tuned Winder against a clutched 850 from my experience is non comparable. You can't really compare some big souped up Apex with a big a$$ turbo against a STOCK Winder with a tune.

 

[Big_Phil]

No snow yet,just put the hurricane 300 tune on a 2018 sidewinder B-TX 153 with 2.5 inch lug.Supertips at 82 grams with tungsten washer in first hole,second hole 4 washers and the tip is tungsten on one side and 4 washers on the other side and 35 degree helix.Gearing 24/50 ,170 pound rider. tune has a 3 bar map,cold air intake ,and the new bov.Would I run out of gear on 66o ft? Also would I have to change from the stock helix?Last year I watch 3 turbo sleds running 280 and 290 hp on 660 ft that could only run with a 800 skidoo with clutching mods done .My RX1 at 22 psi would put bus lenghts on the sidewinders .I just hope I can get this one running good .Why is the sidewinder slow off the line?Thanks

Get rid of that tip weight if you want to leave the hole hard. 2 Tungsten in each heel and 4 washers mid, ultimax belt. You will probably need a stiffer primary spring as all the heel weight will bring your engagement rpms down.